2.8L Power Stroke Intercooled turbo diesel

[snowplowjay]

Over at one of the Ford sites which I belong to someone has posted a CarDomains page of a gentleman who lives in Guatamala with a Factory!!

Crew Cab 05 Ford Ranger PSD!!!

ITs pretty sweet check it out


http://www.cardomain.com/memberpage/796479


Jay

[JD PLOWER]

That is a sweet ride. 130HP probably about 200ft.lbs of torque and great mileage to boot. Downside is if he takes it back to the US its going to have to pass emissions. Don't think it will be able to do that, still it's a great conversation starter. :shades

[Stik208]

When I am done paying mine off and have a better job and more money I will swap that into mine. I love it....Great for plowing and milage this 4.0 is a hog.

Jason

[Maxb49]

Over at one of the Ford sites which I belong to someone has posted a CarDomains page of a gentleman who lives in Guatamala

Jay, this does not surprise me, considering the gentelman you speak of is in Guatemala. The rest of the world uses diesel as a fuel in a large percentage of their vehicles. I know diesel engines make up approximately 50% of Europe's passenger cars. Nice truck!

[apgarconstruction]

Why wouldn't ford sell that psd in the US? VW sells cars with diesel engines.
I bet it sounds like there is a huge truck coming down the road, only to find that little ranger. cool truck though.

[Pickering Snow]

Ford has there new LCF truck out with the 4.5l v-6 PSD its suppose to be at this weekends wrecker show here in Midland ill try and take pics , iam not that crazy about being another alpha tester for ford but it will be neat to see it.

[cat320]

My dealer has 2 sitting on the lot for about a week or two now. I saw that 4.6 powerstoke lable and had to look twice .

[John Banks]

Ford has there new LCF truck out with the 4.5l v-6 PSD

If the straight block design, eg CTD, is better for making and managing torque in a diesel, why do these guys stay with the V block design?

[GMC Driver]

Just a guess, John, but I would think that maybe the new 4.6 PSD is a 6.0 PSD with two cylinders lopped off? I know GM has done this - the 4.3 V6 is a 350 less two cylinders. Maybe in an effort to reduce initial development costs, this got them first to market with a "small" or 1/2 ton diesel.

[John Banks]

Yeah Dave, I guess it makes sense from the standpoint of just loping off 2 cylinders. However, why stick with a V8 diesel or V6 for that matter, as opposed to the better straight 6, or straight 4 design? I don't know if this is the case, but if Cummins is the only straight 6 diesel mfr in the light/medium duty truck market, does it then come down to development costs for GM/Isuzu and Ford/International ?
Isuzu has the 4 cyl diesel, therefore, if Ford can just cut off two cylinders, why doesn't Isuzu just add 2 cylinders in-line?

Has it come down to the marketing dept thinking it's easier to sell a v8 Diesel?

[Pickering Snow]

John

Its a very good question and nobody can probley figure it out iam not thinking or at least til Saturday when i can drive this thing that it would produce the power i need has a wrecker. The LCF is being offered in GVWRS of 15k, 16k, 17,999 , and 19,500 to me that engine is not gonna cut it Ford has tryed to copy Internationals CF 4000 series truck. It was a tough choice for me but it started back in jan with the canceling of a F650 CC because of the tranny problems i had with the 450. I feel i made a solid choice going with the International 4300 with the DT466, i cannot afford anymore gross errors in production trucks used for commerical use anymore.

I have 5 recalls setting on my desk for the newer Ford fleet and the dealer has no tech to preform them. Even with all the ribbing i take owning Fords dont think for a min that i am not aware of issues that are haunting Ford.

[GMC Driver]

I don't know John - It would seem like perfect sense to approach the development of new engine technology this way. I would only assume that your last statement would be somewhat correct - that the American love affair with the V8 has dictated that GM and Ford Diesels are manufactured in this configuration - nothing else seems to give reason to the development of the V8 diesel.

Maybe public perception has given the marketing groups enough power to dictate the development end of things. It would seem that an educated consumer would realize the link between a highway tractor or tri-axle's six cylinder powerplant and the inherent advantages an in-line six brings. This is the advantage Dodge has had in this market for so long - the link to a large diesel manufacturer like Cummins. It seems strange to me (although Ford uses Navistar) that the other manufacturers haven't picked up on this and have brought Cat, Detroit, or even possibly Mack into the foray with the production of a scaled down version of one of their powerplants.

[John Banks]

I have 5 recalls setting on my desk for the newer Ford fleet and the dealer has no tech to preform them. Even with all the ribbing i take owning Fords dont think for a min that i am not aware of issues that are haunting Ford.

That's too bad Fred, it's not right. I know there were a couple, this is the primary reason my wife cancelled her order for an '05 PSD X. She ordered it back in March, as we figured that all of the problems were, or at least should have been behind them by then as this was such a late build. She cancelled the order, which was not a big deal with the dealer as that's what he does - sell vehicles, and for now went down to an Explorer. We just did not want to deal with any of the problems should they arise.

I too was going to get another truck, F-350 PSD, but am able to hold off for a while. I am now investigating the costs, logistics of swapping the 5.4 in my F250 for a CTD. I looked at an '05 Dodge 3500 CTD quad s/b the other night. Sweet rig, but the issue I have, other than cost, is size. I need the Supercab/Quadcab, and the Dodge short box is smaller by about 6 inches than the short box on my F250. Thus the swap is looking like the more viable option.

[John Banks]

It would seem that an educated consumer would realize the link between a highway tractor or tri-axle's six cylinder powerplant and the inherent advantages an in-line six brings. This is the advantage Dodge has had in this market for so long - the link to a large diesel manufacturer like Cummins. It seems strange to me (although Ford uses Navistar) that the other manufacturers haven't picked up on this and have brought Cat, Detroit, or even possibly Mack into the foray with the production of a scaled down version of one of their powerplants.

You nailed it Dave. Can you imagine firing up a DT, Mack, Cat in your pick-up? How great would that be?!! IMO that would be a home run situation. However, here's the only problem I see, those motors are too reliable and will last too many miles for the Big 3. If they put any of those motors in your truck, taken care of you could squeeze 500k - 1M miles out of it, therefore, you would not be back as soon as they would need you to be to buy replacement vehicles.

[wyldman]

The "inline" vs "V" diesel debate has been going on for a long time.It's really pretty simple.

An inline configuration produces more torque due to the longer time the piston is available to the combustion flame front between firing cycles.Longer rods\better rod angles also contribute to smoother delivery.Higher RPM power and longetivity is reduced though.Not usually a problem for most diesel configurations.

A "V" configuration makes less low end torque,but more high RPM power.Emissions are slightly lower at higher RPM's.The wider RPM range is sometimes better suited to passenger vehicles\light duty trucks,as not everyone uses them only for hauling\work.A V-block also has better dampening ability,which makes them quieter.A V-Block is also shorter,which allows them to increase interior volume,and passenger space.It is also lighter,as you don't need as much raw mass to make it strong,due to the fact it is tied together in the middle.

So in theory,the V-block design should be better suited to a light duty pickup.

[wyldman]

John

Its a very good question and nobody can probley figure it out iam not thinking or at least til Saturday when i can drive this thing that it would produce the power i need has a wrecker. The LCF is being offered in GVWRS of 15k, 16k, 17,999 , and 19,500 to me that engine is not gonna cut it Ford has tryed to copy Internationals CF 4000 series truck. It was a tough choice for me but it started back in jan with the canceling of a F650 CC because of the tranny problems i had with the 450. I feel i made a solid choice going with the International 4300 with the DT466, i cannot afford anymore gross errors in production trucks used for commerical use anymore.

I have 5 recalls setting on my desk for the newer Ford fleet and the dealer has no tech to preform them. Even with all the ribbing i take owning Fords dont think for a min that i am not aware of issues that are haunting Ford.

Fred - Ford's new CF truck looks pretty good,but I'd be careful with any new design.Give them a while to work out the bugs.The use of the 5 speed Torq-shift scares me too,as the trans problems seem to increase dramatically as you go up in GVW.

I don't think you can go wrong with the International.Great truck,great motor and drivetrain.It should serve you well.

[John Banks]

Chris, thank you very much for the quick lesson. :grinz

[cat320]

Don't be fooled International has had there amount of problems with there trucks.I think i might of posted this before of Garlick farms canceling a 30 truck order because of the problems they are having with repairs in a very short amount of time with them.

[John Banks]

Don't be fooled International has had there amount of problems with there trucks.I think i might of posted this before of Garlick farms canceling a 30 truck order because of the problems they are having with repairs in a very short amount of time with them.

I remember your post cat. If I recall, those problems were electrical in nature, perhaps the wiring harness between the C & C...

[Pelican]

IH did have a problem with harnesses a couple years ago getting pinched under the floor. Hopefully they've cleared that up.

I drove an IH 4200 dump loaded with the 6.0 engine and it performed well in that application. I was actually pretty impressed, it was quite a bit snappier than my 7.3 550.

[cat320]

My brotherin law says they alot of problems with the rear main seals I think it was the 43-4400 series .

[Pickering Snow]

Cat

I belive all trucks have there share of problems but honestly like the cummins the dt 466 is a tryed and true engine i have seen Dt466 engines with 1/2 millon miles on them. Also the dt466 is not the power house of engines it is in many short haul and switching trucks i work on and iam familar with how they work . I do have alot of faith in my international dealer they are one of my biggest parts suppliers for OTR parts and stand behind the parts they sell and have been very good to me. they also provide a much more reliable part in the psd line verus buying from ford dealer. Example i have had little or no problems with IH cam sensors for the 7.3 compared to the ford units.

[John Banks]

they also provide a much more reliable part in the psd line verus buying from ford dealer. Example i have had little or no problems with IH cam sensors for the 7.3 compared to the ford units.

Fred, I've had to do the CPS in our F550. I have seen where guys say that the IH part is less expensive than the Ford, but are you saying the actual quality is different too? Is this the case of different mfrs for the same CPS? Or is it a case of Home Cheapo syndrom whereby Ford has parts mfr'd to their albeit lesser quality spec than that of IH?

[Pickering Snow]

John

I truly belive like many of the big three ford has outsourced to the cheapest vendor.IH parts are the real Mcoy i stock more IH parts for psd's than i do parts from ford.

[John Banks]

John

I truly belive like many of the big three ford has outsourced to the cheapest vendor.IH parts are the real Mcoy i stock more IH parts for psd's than i do parts from ford.

WOW!!! Thanks for the heads up Fred. I would never have thought this to be the case, but I trust what you're saying. It's amazing, the money we pay for these rigs and the way these companies cheap out.