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Have you ever had a Western 8'6"MVP torn off your one of your trucks?:headwall Photos to follow in a day or so:shades
BWinkel
12-06-2003, 03:38 PM
What happened?
BWAMX
12-06-2003, 04:08 PM
No BUT :
Western Uni mount 8.5 ft on a Chevy 3500 Flatbed.
The guy loses the right large pin, doen't know, goes to plow a
lot along the curb, Hits curb a little tooo hard plow pulls left ,
SNAPS OFF the left side (only one left with a pin) push plate mount tabs ,
Whole plow set up slams into hood/grill then he proceeds to almost drive over the whole unit!!!!
I get the call , Hey I lost a hitch pin!
Get there , what a mess, broke both sides of the push plate ears,
the little tabs off the a frame for the lift mount, broke a hose smashed the grill, dented the hood.
Had to dissasemble everything load it into my truck and go back to the shop .
Ended up fabbing up new pcs and welding it all back together
3hrs later back to work.
Never had anymore trouble from the unit from that day on.
W-n-K Landscaping
12-06-2003, 04:20 PM
WOW!!!
I hope nobody was hurt, and that there was minimal damage to your truck!
I have done some minor damage when I had a couple of pins fall out- but luckily it was simply heat up the ear on the a-frame and straighten it out. I have never had any major damage like this!
Get some rest and then post the pics- we can wait, and hopefully help out!!
Bill
Got the first four from my digital prior to it going dead. The rest are at the shop getting made to a disk. You'll have to zoom in to see some of the damage it was pretty extensive! This is one of my trucks, notice the angle of the truck and compare it to the offset of the plow. Also note the left side of the mold board, (looking toward the truck), about a foot in from the left lower corner. That's a two foot gash through the mold board and into the trip spring on the back:rolleyes:
This one is of the lovely 3/4 " steel plate that did it
W-n-K Landscaping
12-07-2003, 09:01 AM
Were they doing construction that they did not warn you about? I assume they were trying to cover a hole with the steel plate- maybe it would have been better to find the hole with the truck instead of the plate!!
Good luck getting it back up and running- hope you make it before the next snow fall!!
Bill
BTW- I hope the driver was wearing his belt- that must have been some hit to pull the frame off the front of the truck like that!
Here's another of the truck. If you zoom in you may be able to see the snapped plow mounting frame. Should my lights be pointing at the ground?:confused:
I'll post the rest later. They were using the plate to cover some cement that was failing by a grate. Yes the hole would have been better. I got this plow last season and moved it to this truck last week, will Western cover this????????:D The up side is, it's one of four trucks we own, I wasn't the driver and I have ample subs to cover any work in the near future.
Snoworks
12-07-2003, 09:11 AM
Ken - Sorry to here about your troubles.
So the trip spring did not work, or did the steel plate slide up the trip spring area to the moldboard? The plow looks fubr'ed! How did the truck make out.
Chuck B.
The call I got was. Dude, I got one of those things I just don't want to tell you about
I need to get the frame checked, it may be bent.
90plow
12-07-2003, 09:14 AM
Shouldnt the plow have tripped?!?!? I would go talk to my dealer and ask them why the frame fell off the truck, unless you installed it yourself. At least the damage to the truck doesn't "look" that bad, and no one was hurt.
Eric
Snoworks
12-07-2003, 09:15 AM
I hate when you get those kind of calls. My response usually is; is anyone hurt or dead. If not, its really not that bad!:D
Chuck B.
Are you ready for the kicker?????? One of the trucks plowing the site earlier that morning hit the plate too(Minor damage) and didn't bother to pass it along or mark the area off for the rest of the trucks. Can I get a group comunication please. Drivers need to pass onto other drivers site conditions!:mad:
The two biggest venues I preach are Documentation A/K/A Write it down, so we can get paid and cover our asses and Communication A/K/A Call me. Let me know what's going on. The more I think this whole thing could've/should've been avoided, with a Cell phone Yo man, theres a huge hunk of something in the rear trailer area, can we get it taken care of. The hotter I get:argue. But no people sometimes just don't think, heck he was probally already on the phone with his girl or something. I don't know. Sometimes common sense isn't so common. Enough of me, when I get the rest you'll see'em:cash
Adams Plowing
12-07-2003, 10:02 AM
wow sucks ya lost a plow like that but thankfully noone was hurt...
snowplowjay
12-07-2003, 11:06 AM
Damn, Thankfully no one was injured in the process. I highly doubt that Western will want anything to do with that one.
Jay
BKrois
12-07-2003, 11:12 AM
KenP-
Sorry for the damage to your truck, looks bad.
Since no one asked, i will. How fast was your driver going to cause that to happen? Going 5mph or so, the plow probably would have tripped, and it would not have been a big deal. For that kind of damage to happen, i wonder how fast your driver was going??
sbrennan007
12-07-2003, 12:50 PM
From the looks of it, the edge did trip and the steel plate went into the plow just above the trip edge.
Sorry to hear of the loss, and you are right, communication is key to anything you do.
I'm sure the guy driving the truck feels bad about it, but the other guy should have said something as well. :headwall
The party line is he wasn't going fast. I think speed was an issue but not the major factor. The MAJOR factor was that the plate had been hit earlier in the night, snow was packed under it leaving it 6 or so inches in the air. I think it was turned against the curb and raised in the front corner, thus when the blade hit it, whamo, hang onto your hat, dentures, clipboard, yada, yada yada. I do know this guy has a heavy foot, but his spotter said he wasn't zipping, and I trust the guy
I have cracked a cutting edge in half before, but nothing that bad.
Hope you can get it going again.
snowplowjay
12-07-2003, 02:34 PM
Now I dont feel so bad. I guess worse things happen than this that I did.
BWAMX
12-07-2003, 03:21 PM
Wow Ken,
That plow took a hit , good to hear 2 guys did not get hurt ,and kept thier teeth !
This tops the unimount dismount!
Hope the truck frame is straight.
Keep us posted .
Now Jay, your still cutting your teeth!!!
snowplowjay
12-07-2003, 03:23 PM
Originally posted by BWAMX
Now Jay, your still cutting your teeth!!!
I know I know.
I too am glad to know no one got hurt Ken.
Jay
BWhite
12-07-2003, 03:42 PM
I agree you need to try to figure out why it didnt trip . ?
Did I forget to mention the guys were O.K.? They were! Accidents happen, but I'm none the more pleased. I didn't even mention the Pathfinder that the dispatcher was using when he spun out and hit the guard rail wiping out the front end! All in all it was very costly storm.
W-n-K Landscaping
12-07-2003, 04:41 PM
Geeze Ken!!! So lets see- all in all nobody was hurt, you've hot subs to cover, and everyone else made it home in one piece- all good news
Bad news- two trucks down with major damage- both lost/damaged plows and structural damage (not sure if Pathfinder had a plow on it or not, but it defintiely has frame and body damage)
I hope that this constitutes all of your bad luck for the season!!!
Waht a rough way to start out! Get some rest, and let your blood pressure calm down, then let us know what the damage is- good luck! If I was closer I would give you a yell to help out in any way I could!
Bill
CNY Joe
12-07-2003, 04:49 PM
Wow Ken sorry to hear about the damages, But glad to hear no one was hurt,. Hopefully damages aren't to serious and cost of repairs is minimal. If you fiqure out why the plow didn't trip I would like to know.
Adams Plowing
12-07-2003, 06:15 PM
Originally posted by sbrennan007
From the looks of it, the edge did trip and the steel plate went into the plow just above the trip edge.
Sounds like one good reason to have a full trip blade instead of a trip edge...
Adams Plowing
12-07-2003, 06:17 PM
Wow ken 2 trucks wrecked.. hopefully the rest of the season goes better for ya...
snowjoker
12-07-2003, 08:35 PM
How fast were you going Jay????? I've never seen a cracked cutting edge. :burnout Well glad no one was hurt in either incident. Just be careful all.:)
4evergreenlawns
12-07-2003, 11:25 PM
Ken,
Sorry to see something like that happen at all muchless this early in the season. Two things I was wondering about:
1) Do you have an Inland Marine policy of some type of insurance for your plows, and have you talking to the insurance company yet? I hope you do and that they will cover the claim?
2) I see you have a several 8.5 MVP's. After seeing picture of Chucks V plow with all the cracks, I was wondering it you have had any type of problems with any of your MVP's?
Even after plowing for years I guess we all can something get the feeling that the plow will protect us and push any old thing right out of the way.
You are right about getting pissed after hearing the earlier guy hit it and never said anything. That just makes no sense.
Good luck with the repairs. Looks like you'll at least be getting a new Ultra MVP soon, and maybe even a new truck. Hope there is no frame damage on the truck.
UpstateDieselGuy
12-08-2003, 02:52 AM
Originally posted by Adams Plowing
Sounds like one good reason to have a full trip blade instead of a trip edge...
Unless the blade tripped and went over the plate. As quick as this occured a full trip blade may have tripped and allowed the truck to keep on moving. This could have been some heavy undercarriage damage. Not Good.
WoofsPlow
12-08-2003, 05:16 AM
The pictures are deceiving it only looks like 1/4" plate. What is the overall size of the plate? It looks like it's flat on the ground looks like he pushed it about 5 feet. Maybe the blade tripped, the plate maintained the trip it moved the plate up the blade a little and then he pushed the plate into somthing that would not move:confused:
Eyesell
12-08-2003, 05:50 AM
I see you changed your signature to reflect the recent accident, sorry to hear about your bad luck, glad to hear all were ok !!
Dockboy
12-08-2003, 06:54 AM
Originally posted by BWhite
I agree you need to try to figure out why it didnt trip . ?
If the plate edge was 6" from the pavement, because of snow under it, The MVP would not have tripped because the plate would have impacted at or right above the trip edge hinge:eek: I don't know that a full trip plow would have acted much different in the same senerio because the impact point was so high. It would be completely different than hitting a 6" high curb where the cutting edge would be making first contact;)
It just shows the importance of pre snow inspections and on site communications!!
Sorry to hear of and see the damages Ken:(
snowplowjay
12-08-2003, 08:10 AM
Originally posted by snowjoker
How fast were you going Jay????? I've never seen a cracked cutting edge. :burnout Well glad no one was hurt in either incident. Just be careful all.:)
Well Walt...........Lets just say the cutting edge didnt crack on its own. I bent it with a curb and then helped it to crack and fall off with my own muscles :(
Jay
W-n-K Landscaping
12-08-2003, 08:28 AM
"Gee Rocky, guess I don't know my own strength!!!"
Remind me to never piss you off!!!
LOL!
Didn't have access to a heat wrench to help the bending process? Or was it carbide?
At least nothing major happened to the truck/yourself and now I'm assuming you know where the curb is for future reference?
Bill:burnout
snowplowjay
12-08-2003, 11:15 AM
I got hot headed and didn't go down to Bill's shop to get the torches.
DUMB IDIOT ME!!!!!!!!!!!
Oh well itll be fixed before anymore snow falls so no biggy.
Jay
phillyplowking1
12-08-2003, 12:04 PM
Sorry about all your trouble ken. This storm made me alot of $$$$$ and no problems at all with equipment or employees.:D
szorno
12-08-2003, 01:23 PM
Hey Ken, I guess that was the truck you were driving when we had dinner last summer. Hope the truck is OK. Plows and brackets can be replaced. Take care. I start my second storm in a couple hours. Last storm I had 1 truck down. Now we are at full strength. Hope your next storm goes MUCH safer and better. :)
Ladies and gentlemen I present the photos as promised!
10 inches of snow ending by 11pm on a Saturday night $16,200.00
A freshly mounted Western MVP 4,200.00
Slapping the snot out of the fella that shreaded it Priceless
BWhite
12-08-2003, 05:27 PM
That is some severe damage . Is the truck frame intact ? So the metal plate hit was not resting on the ground .
Everything looks just peachy
More too come, stay tuned
wyldman
12-08-2003, 06:06 PM
That is downright nasty.I've hit some immovable objects,and brought the truck to a dead stop,but have never done anything like that.
That plow and harness is toast.
JohnnyU
12-08-2003, 06:22 PM
I have seen some messed up trucks and plows, but that one takes the cake!!
I can't beleive that it sliced right through the moldboard!! I wonder what Western will say....:zoinks
Check out my LOGO al my trucks, signs and letter head have it
Over all it will be a learning experience and a good example for others. I do have a marine policy, but the coverage is very limited. What I have learned today is that you MUST schedule your big ticket items on your insurance policy to recover your losses. It's cost is roughly 1% of the value and covers complete replacement for three years, from my company. So my $15,000 tool rider isn't such a good after all. I'll have better coverage and pay the same once I get the schedule done! First lesson noted. I'll pass the lessons on to you folks as I learn them!:D
I forgot to mention the Loss officer for IKEA is out of town till Friday, so I have to leave my plow there and can't start the process til then.
Another good thing that came out of this, is I just got my Senior Member status!!!!!:notworthy
Snoworks
12-08-2003, 07:31 PM
Ken - When you can make a Western plow mount warp/bend more than a light weight snoway frame. You no the damage was severe!:D
Chuck B.
T-Zab
12-10-2003, 05:01 AM
Hey Ken how is the frame on that 3500? Would love to here if it took the hit without damage.
Todd
4evergreenlawns
12-10-2003, 06:53 AM
Ken,
My agent really pushed the Inland Marine when I first started with comm. insurance and G/L. In the first year it paid off when a jerk pulled into the gas station I was plowing and totaled the brand new tailgate spreader with less than 20 hours on it and cause $2,500.00 in damage to my new truck.
They sent me a check minus the $250.00 deductable, for the spreader within a week (he had no insurance of course). Three day later a check fo the damages to the truck. Ever since then, the day I buy a new piece of equipment ever $1000.00 I call and have it added. There is two seprate deductalbles one for the auto and one for the inland marine, but I set those both at $250.00. If anything like what happen to your truck happens to one of mine, (lets hope not I linked my driver to this thread) it will be worth 500.00 to get them both fixed. And lets not ever talk about should they ever get stolen.
Is IKEA going to pick up some of the cost for the accident against their G/L?? That would be nice to know, I did not even consider that until you mentioned the loss guy coming out.
Bonzai
12-10-2003, 12:59 PM
Oh Yea let me guess, the employee in question was going slow and can`t believe how so much damage could have happened. Been there done it last year. One guy bent the crap out of one side of a ******* MVP,totally destroyed it he was going slow and being careful.:argue The plow in question still needs to be fixed. :confused: Oh the joys of running your own business.:scramble
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