Diesel-82 5.7 Olds

[Ole JIM]

HI guys--I have an 82 Olds a Beautiful RUST Free from Montana I bought IT--as It had a Bad Stater? & upon In-Quireing? in referance to Labor?--Olds Dealer infomed ME BIG BUCKS!--Well I RemoveIT & had It Re-built & re-Installed IT w/NO Problems! & got IT Running!--BAD fuel leak!--Running down the Rear of the Engine! & NOT being a Diesel Mechanic Followed the Olds Dealers Advce?--Installed a NEW Fuel delivery PUMP!--another Problem!--Fuel in my Oil Pan!--installed a New Injector PUMP! Still getting Fuel in my Oil Pan!-- So I took It for a SPIN! & aprox 10 miles it Started Running WILD!--Over REVING!--W/ HUGE amounts of WHITE Smoke Out the Tail PIPE! couldn*t see any thing behind ME except SMOKE! I Shut It Down! waited 10 minutes or SO? removed the Air cleaner & allowed the Vapor to Clear--Fired Her UP & Nursed Her HOME at 15 MPH- & there She Sits! & its been Sitting over a Yr Now! & I have asked?? every Mechanic I know!--How? Do I Correct this Problem??--& I have Written every Diesel Site & never get an Answer? PLEASE HELP! THANKS --Ole JIM--

[wilsonlawn]

:( :( I hate to tell you, but the Olds diesel was a converted gasoline block diesel. It was GM's great idea to jump into the diesel market without paying their dues into developing a real diesel engine. They had many problems with these type engines within a short time time period. Busted cranks, cracked blocks, busted heads, so on and so forth. The gas engine cannot withstand the pressure and vibration that the diesel combustion produces. Needless to say, they quit producing these engines within a short time, because they were a massive failure.
I would say this is why no one will touch the thing. I hope you have not spent too much cash on the engine.

The engine running wild and blowing white smoke is oil getting into the combustion chamber. BAD JU JU Beans! I will bet that even after you turn the key off, the engine still runs wild, right? Diesel will burn about any type of liquid, providing there is enough pressure and heat on the compression stroke.
Hey, but on the bright side, hang onto the engine for a little while. You might get someone to buy it from you to put in the "Ripley's Believe it or not" museum!:cash:mad:

[Ole JIM]

Originally posted by wilsonlawn
:( :( I hate to tell you, but the Olds diesel was a converted gasoline block diesel. It was GM's great idea to jump into the diesel market without paying their dues into developing a real diesel engine. They had many problems with these type engines within a short time time period. Busted cranks, cracked blocks, busted heads, so on and so forth. The gas engine cannot withstand the pressure and vibration that the diesel combustion produces. Needless to say, they quit producing these engines within a short time, because they were a massive failure.
I would say this is why no one will touch the thing. I hope you have not spent too much cash on the engine.

The engine running wild and blowing white smoke is oil getting into the combustion chamber. BAD JU JU Beans! I will bet that even after you turn the key off, the engine still runs wild, right? Diesel will burn about any type of liquid, providing there is enough pressure and heat on the compression stroke.
Hey, but on the bright side, hang onto the engine for a little while. You might get someone to buy it from you to put in the "Ripley's Believe it or not" museum!:cash:mad: Hi DAVE I know Fuel of some Kind? is By passing the injector Pump!--But Your WRONG On It still Runnung WILD after I Shut It Off!--It STOPS--I DONO? as a Retired long haul Trucker--I haven*t Fooled w/IT!--been Busy! but--I Figured possibly? some Diesel NUT that Builds & Runs Diesels on this Site may? Know! the Problem? & Save ME the TIME in poining OUT exactally where? I should Look? to Correct this Problem!--as I Figure? theres only Two Answrrs?-- ONE the Biggie--a tiny Hole in a Piston? & TWO--the Fuel Return Line to the Fuel Tank may be Plugged?--as Its NOT Burning Oil from the Oil Pan! as its FULL!--I*M presently Building a Twin Screw Heavy Duty Wrecker which is Nearing Completion-& as Soon as Its DONE! I*LL Tackle the Olds & DAVE Thanks for Your REPLY! --Ole JIM--

[wilsonlawn]

Jim, glad to hear that it is not the oil. I had a couple of 1980 VW rabbit diesels back quite a few years ago and they would get into a run away condition when oil would seep into the combustion chamber. Even if you turned the key off, they would continue to run away until all the oil had burned out. My Cummins diesel doesn't do that, but, then again, it is a much bigger engine and would probably require a lot more oil to do this. Good luck with finding the problem on this. This is all the advice i can offer.

[Ole JIM]

Originally posted by wilsonlawn
Jim, glad to hear that it is not the oil. I had a couple of 1980 VW rabbit diesels back quite a few years ago and they would get into a run away condition when oil would seep into the combustion chamber. Even if you turned the key off, they would continue to run away until all the oil had burned out. My Cummins diesel doesn't do that, but, then again, it is a much bigger engine and would probably require a lot more oil to do this. Good luck with finding the problem on this. This is all the advice i can offer. THANKS again DAVE I just took the Chance? that On this DIESEL SITE--Some? DIESEL HEAD would Know? & pin Point my Problem? Thus Making It Easyer?--My Wife claims I*M a Perfectionist?--as Yrs AGO! I Built a Stock CAR w/a Freind Now Deceassed--I Built the CAR He Built the DIESEL Engine!-Only DIESEL that RACED I know of?--& WE WON more than Our Share of RACES!--I drive a 28 yr Old Pick-Up as a daily Driver & a 1980 Car Both RUN & look like Brand NEW!--I*M Not into this New Computeized Vehicles--But I*LL Correct the Olds Problem? what ever it IS?--just Thought I*D chance? Some OME? would Know?--I wish My freind was still Here as He would KNOW!--THANKS Again--Ole JIM--

[Ole JIM]

HI any DIESEL Guys here? That Tinker with DIESELS? You know Guys that Modify Them? I have an 82 OLDs 5.7 Diesel & YEH I know their JUNK to Most Diesel Guys!--but--In Asking the so called EXPERTS? on several Diesel Sites! I never received any Answer in referance to my Problem? My Diesel Runs GOOD!--BUT--I don*t DARE drive IT!--Reason? after aprox 10 Miles?--IT starts Over-Reving!--Running WILD!--w/ lots of White SMOKE! Out the Tail Pipe! When Ifirst Got IT It was Getting Fuel in the Oil Pan! & as Istructed--I installed a NEW Fuel delivery PUMP--Changed Oil & Filter but still got Fuel in the Oil Pan--Installed a new Injector PUMP! & changed the Oil & filter Again!--Still Ran WILD after a few Miles & Still Getting Fuel in the Oil Pan!--I removed all the Anti-Smog Crap--so Blow By is NOT my Probem!--DONO? possible Hole in a Piston?--DID a Compression Check! Everything looks OK?--all 8 cyls w/In a few Lbs--I DONO? any Suggestions? THANKS GUYS!--Ole JIM--

[crashz]

Hey Ole Jim!

There's a guy on gmdiesel.com that runs a 5.7L Olds in a 1/2 ton truck. He's a regular there (can't remember his handle) and knows a great deal about the 5.7L and 6.2L diesels. Give that site a shot and see if they can help. Good Luck!

[Ole JIM]

Originally posted by crashz
Hey Ole Jim!

There's a guy on gmdiesel.com that runs a 5.7L Olds in a 1/2 ton truck. He's a regular there (can't remember his handle) and knows a great deal about the 5.7L and 6.2L diesels. Give that site a shot and see if they can help. Good Luck! --THANKS crashz--will Do!--Ole JIM--

[bud16415]

Jim
Years ago I broke down in Statesville NC and got towed into a shop named Irelands service I always remembered it because it was St Pats Day. This guy was making a living going to Fla and buying them with low miles and blown motors and taking them up to NC and putting gas engines in them and reselling them. I almost bought one off him in fact. He told me at the time that was the only fix he thought. He did have old engines piled up all over the place.
Bud

[Ole JIM]

Originally posted by bud16415
Jim
Years ago I broke down in Statesville NC and got towed into a shop named Irelands service I always remembered it because it was St Pats Day. This guy was making a living going to Fla and buying them with low miles and blown motors and taking them up to NC and putting gas engines in them and reselling them. I almost bought one off him in fact. He told me at the time that was the only fix he thought. He did have old engines piled up all over the place.
Bud Hi BUD-I have given Thought to putting a Gas engine In It?--I live in Maine where SALT Ruins Cars in just a few yrs! & am a Retired Trucker & Equipment Operator & I personally Like a Chalange! as I have a Reputation Here locally of Re-Landscaping Homes that have a Water Problem in their Basements--I Dono? the Odd problems w/ Diesel Engines?--I have asked? many so called Diesel Mechanics? about my Problem?--& where they just Shrug their Shoulders?--DONO? I assume? their NOT? as Good a Diesel mechanic as they think? they are?-- I was Hopeing to find a Real Diesel NUT on the Internet You know a GUY that Really Plays w/ Diesels--like a Hot Rodder Diesel Guy!--that is always Modifying them--& I know Hes Out there--Finding HIM is my Problem!--as We all Know! every One likes to Talk--& Most of the EXPERTS?--are just Talkers!--& in My CASE?-- I DONO? I Guess? the Only ONE to have that Problem?--I really Don*t think SO?--but I have Had NO Takers on Solving it to Date!-- & its Kinda FUNNY really! In reading All the Expert Advice!--on the Net & NO One has ever had my Problem?-- I DONO? all that Much about Diesels?--but-Next spring I*LL Grab my Tool BOX--& Start Tinkering! & I*LL Locate the Problem! & FIX It-- & Then I*LL KNOW!--THANKS--Ole JIM-

[bud16415]

Jim

They are here and will reply to the post give it a day or so and if they don’t ask me in a message and I’ll point them out for you. my understanding of those converted gassers of the 80s was they were pretty much junk from GM as posted above. The guy I was telling you about was getting them off of old people in Fla who were thinking when they bought them they would last forever and at 20 to 30K were blowing them .

As for the rust problem do a search on my name and or rust / rust proofing or fluid film and read up on that you like me life in a salt mine half the year. and we have been talking a good deal about that problem as well on here.

Bud

[bud16415]

Jim
I forgot to mention you might want to look into getting that (SHIFT KEY) fixed on your keyboard also………just kidding

Bud

:)

[Ole JIM]

Originally posted by bud16415
Jim

They are here and will reply to the post give it a day or so and if they don’t ask me in a message and I’ll point them out for you. my understanding of those converted gassers of the 80s was they were pretty much junk from GM as posted above. The guy I was telling you about was getting them off of old people in Fla who were thinking when they bought them they would last forever and at 20 to 30K were blowing them .

As for the rust problem do a search on my name and or rust / rust proofing or fluid film and read up on that you like me life in a salt mine half the year. and we have been talking a good deal about that problem as well on here.

Bud Hi BUD YES I have been TOLD the 80s GM Diesels were JUNK--but--I*M a Stubun MAM!--Ole GUY!--& w/ My Liking a Chalange!-- I*LL locate & FIX my present Problem & then?--I will Remove the Entire Engine--& attempt to build a BULLET PROFF 80s Diesel--& that sounds like FUN?--& I just may Learn some-thing? in referance to RUST? YES! I*D like to Learn more on Stopping RUST!-- as Here Cars Don*t last very Long! --Ole JIM--

[bud16415]

Hey Jim

You already started a post about this the other day why don’t you just stick to that one for now and add the new information.

Bud

[Ole JIM]

Originally posted by bud16415
Hey Jim

You already started a post about this the other day why don’t you just stick to that one for now and add the new information.

Bud BUD I am Not an Internet person--I have explained my Diesel problem to so many I often forget?--& I Goofed mentioning its an Olds--& I hear they were a Gas Engine conversion--& JUNK? I assume those Gas Guys should read UP on Diesels More!--as the 82 olds diesel motor is a better one than the New Dura MAX--more Mickel in the Block It re-minds Me of the Chrysler NEON a Real piece of JUNK--by Chrysler installing the Cruiser body on the Neon Chasis--Same JUNK!--But-very Popular every One Wants One?-- I*M sorry now that I even Asked?-- as Most Diesel Guys just Drive them! I know I did for many yrs--but thought?? their might be a Diesel Hot Rodder out there? that had had that Problem?-& would save me the Time of Re-Checking every Thing!--to personally locate the Problem?--& most people are Not all that Smart? as I read guys w/4X4s w/ Big Tires & lift kits--plowing Snow!--& Crew Cabs!--none of Which are my Personal Idea of a Unit to Plow With!--as most of the young are Caught UP in the Material Worldly Things!--I call them the HEY Look what I got CLUB--No Pun Intened!--its just that I*M Not into Keeping UP w/ the Joneses!--in my 50 odd yrs of Working & Tinkering on Equipment if I listed All the all the Equipment I have Personally it would be several Pages Long!--Construction--Plowing & Landscaping--equip!--Dono?--Ole Jim--

[bud16415]

Jim I didn’t mean anything by my post other than some of your question had begun to be answered in the other post and I thought if you kept it all in one place more people would pick up on it good luck on your project

Bud

[Pelican]

I agree Bud, and moved it here.

Jim, we have a wide variety of members here with varying ideas. We've found the best way for things to run smoothly is to have a "live and let live" attitude, if what others do doesn't suit you, then so what? We throw our ideas out for all to read, but don't criticize others who may have a different opinion.

[Ole JIM]

Originally posted by Pelican
I agree Bud, and moved it here.

Jim, we have a wide variety of members here with varying ideas. We've found the best way for things to run smoothly is to have a "live and let live" attitude, if what others do doesn't suit you, then so what? We throw our ideas out for all to read, but don't criticize others who may have a different opinion. -- pelican--I am NOT attempting to cause Problems--& I have Received some Pretty Negitive Replies!--& have Answered in a Postive Polite Manner!--to ALL--& this IS AMERICA!--where Free Speach is Garanteed?--I*M an Ole MAN & I over look a lot of Negitive Input I do Receive!--& I*M Not here as I stated to Start any Problems--but--I do have the RIGHT to Defend Myself? & Also to Voice my personal opinion on Issues!--so Whats? the PROBLEM? as I Don*t Re-call having been Critical? to Any ONE?--& in this POST Alone!--I have received Posts that My Engine is JUNK!--& should be Listed in Ripleys Beleive IT? or NOT?--& my 5.7 is a GAS change over! & thereFore JUNK!--ECT--ECT! all of Which I think? is Pretty Negitive?--Don*t YOU?--I*d like YOU to Point OUT?--Any Negitive Reply I have Made?--Thanks --Ole JIM--

[bud16415]

Hey Old Jim

Once again if I said something out of line I’m sorry for that. And in no way did I mean anything personal out of it. When you ask for some ones advice on an issue you have to respect the fact that they are giving you their honest advice. Not what you may want to hear and not that you have to except its just advice. I told you earlier on in the string I was no expert on diesels and that there were experts here that would help and if they didn’t find the post I would let them know about it for you. when you started the second string I thought we should combine them into this one. I didn’t tell you per say I felt your engine was junk just that a guy with 75 of them stacked up behind his shop told me they were. Seeing was believing in that case for me.

I wish you well with your project and hope to hear how you make out with the motor come spring.

Bud

[Ole JIM]

Originally posted by bud16415
Hey Old Jim

Once again if I said something out of line I’m sorry for that. And in no way did I mean anything personal out of it. When you ask for some ones advice on an issue you have to respect the fact that they are giving you their honest advice. Not what you may want to hear and not that you have to except its just advice. I told you earlier on in the string I was no expert on diesels and that there were experts here that would help and if they didn’t find the post I would let them know about it for you. when you started the second string I thought we should combine them into this one. I didn’t tell you per say I felt your engine was junk just that a guy with 75 of them stacked up behind his shop told me they were. Seeing was believing in that case for me.

I wish you well with your project and hope to hear how you make out with the motor come spring.

Bud Hi BUD--Pelican & others?--I*M Sorry if I ruffled any ones Feathers?-but-I have inquired about My Over-Reving problem? on so Many Sites!-& have Received a lot of FLAK & some very Good Suggestions!--& I*M Not Blaming any One!--for their Comments!-GOOD --BAD or Indifferant? just stating Facts!--& I*M Not MAD any One--personally I don*t give advice if I don*t know a Simple Cure for what ever? the Problem may Be?--as I don*t think? theres any thing? thats a little problem?- to Who ever? that has No Idea? of how? to Correct what ever? is WRONG!--& thats a Pretty Helpless Feeling! as WE have ALL been There!--I see & have Read comments on many subjects by the younger generation caught UP in the Marketing HYPE--of Todays Sell Sell CRAP--& often Wonder? WHY I assume? Inteligant? People!--BUY most of that CRAP!--as I*M from the OLe School--Quote--Don*t tell ME How Great YOU ARE? at What-Ever?--SHOW ME!--& if thats Bothers Any ONE?--I*M SORRY!--but--I Guess YOU will just have to LIVE w/IT!--I want to THANK Every ONE for Taking the TIME to Assist ME as I Really Do Appricate IT!--as I have Readily Admited I don*t know all that much about diesels? & thats Why I Asked? but on the other Hand if I Do Know the Answer to a Problem I*ll Do what ever I can to Assist--& not being into this NEW Age of Quick Fixes!--Usually can offer Advice on Correcting the Problem & NOT having to Spend Big Bucks in order to Do IT!--One plower wrote Me personaly describbing his damaged plow in detail--which his insurance man had given him an estimate over $1200.00- WE swapped cell phone Numbers & I gave HIM exact detailed Instructions On exactally Where? & How to Repair IT!--& for a couple hours of Work & less than $100.00 in materials--he was UP & Running & informed ME that It worked Better than NEW--& thats What! Helping One Other is All about Right?--Now here in the North-east the Weather Man Says were going to get Globbered--on TV!--first He said 3 to 6-then 6 to 12--& the Latest? 12 to 20?-of WET Snow Exspected?--should Start? a t 5 AM & here WE have 4 feet of Frost in the Ground!--told to ME by Contractors Working All Winter!-but-we have had a Warm Spell--& were in aprox 4 to 6 inches of MUD due to the Warm Weather!--& If? this storm is WET? & as Deep as Predicted?--Dirt Drive ways will be On Lawns-& 4X4s will be Broken Down every Where!--Mother matures REVENGE?--so We all have many other Things to Worry about!--& my Parting Thoughts?--TAKE CARE! & be SAFE! & GOD BLESS ALL!--Ole JIM--