installing plow

[Western22288]

ok i got my 8ft western today. its the conventional mount or w/e u call it, the pre-unimount. anyway i startedto install today. i have no idea how. i took off the front bumper and tryed lining up the mount, but i just dont have a clue what goes where. any help you can give me please do. i am very confused and cant figure this thing out. thank you very much need help asap

[wyldman]

Here are the instructions. http://www.westernplows.com/pdf/13303_100188.pdf

You wil need to dril some holes too.A good bit,and a low speed 1/2 drill will be needed.

[Western22288]

thank you so much, your the best

[Western22288]

wyldman i would just like to say that without those directions we would not have gotton anywhere with these. as of now we have the subframe and headgear mounted. that diagram was on the money...perfect. we will be working late into the night( me and my father) to try and get this thing as complete as we can. tomarrow we will have all the wiring done. my first plow is now getting mounted on my first truck this is a good day for me :D

[Bugthug]

Good luck with that new western. you are gonna have fun with it. I am glad the install is goin good for ya. I rember being 16 and helping my Dad do one (17 years ago) and we didnt have a wyldman to help us. That makes it nice.I wanna buy him a beer someday just for the help we get.

[wyldman]

Beer ? ....did someone say beer ? Wyldman likey beer ! :D

:drinkup :drinkup :drinkup

[Western22288]

i need a diragram or any information you may have on a western cable operated pump. i am not sure how it works or how to install it so any help you can give me would be a really big help. thanks

[Pelican]

Meyer, does your controller have a small square plastic box at the base with a steel lever coming out? Two cables coming out the bottom?

[speedracer241]

Download the Western Mechanics manual from their site and print it off for reference.
I have a printed copy plus I saved it to my computer so I don't have to wait for the download again.
It tells you every thing you need to know about setting up the cable controls.
Good luck,
Mark K

[wyldman]

Everything you want to know about Western cable operated power units.

http://www.westernplows.com/doctracker.asp?docid=120&seclevel=1&filename=62880%2Epdf&doctype=pdf

[Western22288]

pelican it has the two cables but im not sure about the plastic box.

wyldman once again you have really helped me out alot thanks so much. now its time to wire up the plow lights. i am lost lol. so can you find me a diagram for the plow lights? it would help out a lot. thanks for all the help and ill be sure to figure the picture thing out and try and get some posted. as of right now the frame and heagear is all hooked up as well as a brand new selinoid i bought for the plow. i need to replace two cables before i can finish hooking up the pump. thursday night the thing will be completed and ready to push snow!!!!! thanks again for all your help.:)

[wyldman]

Headlamp wiring diagram http://www.westernplows.com/doctracker.asp?docid=79&seclevel=1&filename=13436%5F052893%2Epdf&doctype=pdf

[Western22288]

the plow lights are working perfectly. evertthing is installed bu the front bumper i still need to figure out how to get that all done. once the bumper is on ill hook up the blade and get some pictures of the truck and the plow. ill also grab a picture of the f-550

[wyldman]

On most older Westerns,they used 4 little angle brackets to mount the bumper after the mount installation.Maybe you didn't get these with the plow ?

[Western22288]

do you have a picture of what they look like. im sure i got them but i dont know which ones they are.

[wyldman]

I don't have pics,and I haven't installed one that old in a long time.From what I remember they are about 5-6 inches long,and 2 inches wide.They are bent 90 degrees on one end for the bumper bolts to attach to.

[Western22288]

i am ready to plow. i still need to clean the pump but i decided to hook the plow up before i did it. right everything works perfect and i have pictures of it. i do not kno how to resize and post pictures so it may take a while to get them on here. i also have picture of the ford f-550 and the chevy 3500 that need posting.

[John DiMartino]

Good Job! im glad its working well. You can send the pics to me if you need them resized.Dont forget to change the fluid,since it had been sitting in my barn for almost 2 yrs.

[Western22288]

john after it sat for 2 years it still worked perfectly as soon as i hooked it up. it is fast to and reacts fast. i am really happy with the cable operated pump. i didi have to repplace the controller though. i ended up buying a fisher one. i do not have the bracket for the controller so i still need to make one. john do you still have it around the barn or should i just go ahead and make my own?

[John DiMartino]

hmmm,controller was brand new, i wonder if mositure got to it.Ill look for the bracket,I'll do some digging today,it may still be i nthe truck,i know where that is i should be able to get it.

[sonjaab]

Western...............Do you need the bracket to mount the cable control box to the dash? I have one............
You can have it if ya need it.................geo

I did have the floor mount one...........

[Western22288]

sonjaab that is just what i need. i dont care if it mounts to dashboard or the floor as long as it mounts sumwhere. pm me about it if you can thank you

[sonjaab]

Western.....You have a Fisher cable box instead of a Western?
I wonder if its identical to a Western one ?

Anybody know ?

Anyhoo...I do have the dash bracket for ya. If your Fisher control box is almost 2 inches wide (side to side) I can assume it will work.

If you look at the parts list on the link Wildman posted for cable op. controls you will see the dash bracket.

It mounts to the dash and the cable control box mounts into it.
Then you can angle your cable control box as needed.......

My puter keeps locking up everytime I get into the Western Pdf so I cant cross reference the Fisher #s or post a link...............

If ya think it will work...... email your address and I will send it to ya Monday!
...........geo:grinz

[wyldman]

They are the same,it should work fine.

[sonjaab]

Chris.....thanks again !..............geo

[snowjoker]

Here is a pick of plow and truck:D

[Honest Mike]

Why is the plow yellow?? Walt, you messing around with photoshop?!? :eek: Mike

[Western22288]

i own a yellow western lol i guess i forogt to mention it was yellow:D

[JohnnyU]

Looks good Meyer!

But the A-frame appears to be sloping downwards toward the truck, is it just an illusion?

[TLS]

Yeah, gotta get that A-Frame a little more level than that.

[Western22288]

yea i did notice it slops a lot. alwell nothing is perfect. the one thing i do not like is how low that undercarrage is or w/e its call. its just a few inches off the ground and hits everything. how would i fix the a-frame problem?

[TLS]

Is the undercarriage designed for YOUR truck? Or is it designed for say a taller truck like an F-350?

Or, are your front springs sagging?

How about a full side shot of it?

Either way, you cant plow for long the way it is.

[Western22288]

the plow is for an f-350. the truck sags REALLY REALLY REALLY bad the springs sag really bad. that is the only picture that would load onto my computer. i have more but i couldnt get them on the computer

[TLS]

Well, if there's no adjustment to where your A-Frame mounts to your undercarriage, you HAVE to raise your truck somehow. New front springs would be a good start. Timbrens won't help here , you need a higher unloaded ride height.

Check around for local spring shops. Maybe they can add a front helper leaf to bring you up about 2" or so.

[Waterchikn]

Those trucks don't like plows...as you have probably heard before a million times, the ttb on that truck isn't very tolerable of a front end load. I have the same disease and really dislike it. New springs might help for awhile. If your a-frame isn't level, your plow won't touch the ground all the way across the cutting edge while angled, but you knew that allready. Hopefully we will see some pics of that truck with snow if front of the blade!

[John DiMartino]

Meyer, I think there were adjustment holes on the frame where the plow bolts up.If so are they as high as they can go? Ive seen guys run there plows like yours is sitting,but it wont scrape very well,and angle does need help.That Western plow isnt very heavy for an 8 fter,maybe you could add a leaf to the front suspension or get a set of timbrens, although the already bad ride will only get worse. If your going to be running a good amount of ballast,the angle will improve slightly.

[Pelican]

I think I remember the truck has high milage, could be the springs are shot. As John mentioned, the Western isn't a heavy plow, that's one reason I switched from it to Diamond. I had the same plow on my TTB truck, it carried it fine. I did eventually break an axle housing, the reason I switched to the monobeam front axle.

[Western22288]

it does have high milage, about 120,000 on it. im pretty sure its time to rebuild the transmission. the spring might be shot i do not kno

[JohnnyU]

Something ain't right... Even my CHEVY IFS rides higher than that :wink

I'd get a new set of front springs, or at least an add-a-leaf for the front. They are fairly cheap through a spring shop, but still not too bad if you have to buy them from Summit or Jegs.

[wyldman]

You need springs,or at least an extra leaf.Timbrens are a must too.AFTER you get that done,you can adjust the truckside mount to get the a-frame level.

[GeoffD]

It may be springs, however it looks to me like it could be more than just that.

Looks to me like its the wrong frame kit. While the F 250 and F 350 shared the same frame, and many of the same components. The plow frame kits for many maunfactures were different between the F 250 and F 350. The F 350 has a solid front axel giving it a much higher ride, this results in the mounts being different. The F 250 with its TTB axel is not as high of the ground, which results in the mounts being shorter. It might be worth calling your local western dealer to find out if the frame kits were the same for that year.


Geoff

[John DiMartino]

Geoff, i think your right. That plow is off an f350 11000GVWR chassis cab 4x4.it sat very high

[crashz]

We had the opposite problem when mounting a Western with a F250 plow frame to an 86 F350 SRW pickup. What we did was cut off the ears on the A frame and mount taller ones to comesate for the added height of the truck.

In this case you may be able to cut the ears off and weld them underneath the angle on the A frame. Just a thought.

[sonjaab]

Western...Do ya need that dash mount bracket for your controller?...........

If so shoot me a email sonjaab@aol.com ..........geo

[Western22288]

i like the idea crashz has and i think i am going to do sumthing like that. as for the controller i had the welding and fabricating class custom make me a braket. it came out nice and took 3days to make. i am going to try and get a pic if i can figure out the camera.

[Western22288]

figured id let everyone kno truck and plow have been very good to me and have made me plenty of money for my first season plowing on my own with my own truck. the plow scrapes better then expected even with the a-frame not sitting level. stacks really high to. gotta love this plow!!!

[CT18fireman]

Glad to hear its working for you. Not to be negative, but save that money for a bad day because one always comes in snowplowing. Something will break and $$$ fixes it.