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KenP
11-18-2003, 05:19 AM
I found this piece of trash posted on MSN's website a few days ago.
Smoke and Mirrors Stop calling firefighters "heroes." By Douglas Gantenbein Posted Friday, October 31, 2003, at 12:05 PM PT

A cush job, most of the time When California Gov.-elect Arnold Schwarzenegger toured the state's catastrophic wildfires a few days ago, he uttered the phrase that now accompanies any blaze as surely as smoke: "The firefighters are the true heroes."

It's understandable why he said that. As fires go, the California blazes are scary. They are moving incredibly quickly through dried brush and chaparral that practically explode when they ignite, threatening the life of any firefighter nearby. Steven L. Rucker, a 38-year-old firefighter and paramedic for the town of Novato, was killed working to save houses. Elsewhere, thousands of firefighters have worked for hours on end in 95-degree heat, dressed in multiple layers of fire-resistant clothing, sometimes without enough food or water because of the long and shifting supply lines.

Given all that, it may seem churlish to suggest that firefighters might not deserve the lofty pedestal we so insistently place them on. We lionize them, regard them as unsullied by base motivations, see them as paragons of manliness (and very tough womanliness). They're easily our most-admired public servants, and in the public's eye probably outrank just about anyone except the most highly publicized war veterans. But the "hero" label is tossed around a little too often when the subject is firefighting. Here's why:

Firefighting is a cushy job. Firefighters may have the best work schedule in the United States—24 hours on, 48 hours off. And those 24 hours are usually not terribly onerous. While a few big-city fire stations may have four, five, six calls, or more during a shift, most aren't nearly that busy, giving firefighters time to give tours to school kids, barbecue hamburgers, wash fire engines, sleep, and pose for "The Firefighters of [Your City Here], 2004" calendars. Indeed, fire officials devote much of their time to figuring out how to cover up the fact they're not getting the hoses out very often. So we have firefighters doing ambulance work, firefighters doing search-and-rescue work, anything but Job No. 1. Meanwhile, the long days off give many firefighters a chance to start second careers. That makes it easy for them to retire after 20 years, take a pension, and start another profession. I've known firefighters who moonlighted as builders, photographers, and attorneys.

Firefighting isn't that dangerous. Of course there are hazards, and about 100 firefighters die each year. But firefighting doesn't make the Department of Labor's 2002 list of the 10 most dangerous jobs in America. Loggers top that one, followed by commercial fishermen in the No. 2 spot, and general-aviation commercial pilots (crop dusters and the like) at No. 3. Firefighting trails truck-driving (No. 10) in its risks. Pizza delivery drivers (No. 5) have more dangerous jobs than firefighters, statistically speaking. And fatalities, when they occur in firefighting, often are due to heart attacks and other lack-of-fitness problems, not fire. In those cases where firefighters die in a blaze, it's almost always because of some unbelievable screw-up in the command chain. It's been well-documented, for instance, that lousy communication was a huge reason why so many firefighters still were in the burning World Trade Center when it imploded, and well after city police and port authority police had been warned by their own commanders of an imminent collapse and cleared out.

Firefighters are adrenalin junkies. I did mountain rescue work for several years and more than once was praised as a "hero." Oh, give me a break. It was fun and exciting. Firefighting is even more of a rush. Sharon Waxman, in an excellent article in the Washington Post, interviewed firefighters in California. Every one was in a complete lather to get to the next hot spot. "It's almost a slugfest to get in there," one told Waxman. This urge to reach the fire is not entirely altruistic. It sure beats washing that damned fire truck again, for one thing. Plus a big fire is thrilling, plain and simple.

Firefighters have excellent propaganda skills. Firefighters play the hero card to its limit. Any time a big-city firefighter is killed on duty, that city will all but shut down a few days later while thousands of firefighters line the streets for a procession. In July 2001, I witnessed the tasteless spectacle of Washington state firefighters staging a massive public display to "honor" four young people killed in a forest fire (one absurd touch: hook-and-ladder rigs extended to form a huge arch over the entrance to the funeral hall). For the families of the four dead firefighters—three of whom were teens trying to make a few bucks for college—the parade, the solemn speeches, and the quasi-military trappings all were agony. "It's just the firefighters doing their thing," one bystander said to me later with a shrug.

Firefighters are just another interest group. Firefighters use their heroic trappings to play special interest politics brilliantly. It is a heavily unionized occupation. Nothing's wrong with that, but let's not assume they're always acting in anything but their own best interests. In Seattle not long ago a squabble broke out between police and firefighters when both were called to the scene of a capsized dinghy in a lake. The firefighters put a diver in the water, a police officer on the scene ordered him out to make way for a police team, and all hell broke loose (yes, the cops were at fault, too). The dispute wasn't over public safety, it was over who got the glory. New York firefighters, admittedly deep in grief over lost co-workers, exacerbated the challenge of body recovery operations after 9/11 by insisting on elaborate removal procedures for each firefighter uncovered, an insult to others who died there. Not long before that, in Boston, a special commission released a scathing report that detailed a 1,600-member fire department up to its bunker gear in racism, sexism, and homophobia. Since then the department has bitterly resisted reform efforts.

None of this is meant to dispute that firefighters aren't valuable to the communities in which they work. They are. But our society is packed with unheralded heroes—small-town physicians, teachers in poverty-stricken neighborhoods, people who work in dirty, dangerous jobs like coal-mining to support a family. A firefighter plunging into a burning house to retrieve a frightened, smoke-blinded child is a hero. But let's save the encomiums for when they are truly deserved, not when they just show up to do their job.

KenP
11-18-2003, 05:20 AM
This was he wrote in response to my attached letter.

Ken:

Thanks for the note. I'm sure you work hard and are in a busy department, both eventualities I acknowledged in the Slate piece, which I think you heard about but never read for yourself. I'll be honest, the self-congratulation that seems to inform every word you write is a little off-putting. Firefighting isn't a job, it's a cult, and its chief objects of worship are other firefighters.

dg


Douglas Gantenbein
Port Townsend, WA 98368
-----Original Message-----
From: Kenneth.pagurek@verizon.net [mailto:Kenneth.pagurek@verizon.net]
Sent: Monday, November 17, 2003 5:10 PM
To: doug@aseasonoffire.com
Subject: Nice job!!!!


Doug,

Please read this entire letter, as I did with your article. I'm glad you stand by what you write, even if you're looking to make a name for yourself on the backs of stronger and braver men. Public servants are used to dealing with people like you, people who attack the hard working men and women of this great country. People like you have been balancing their budgets and lining the coffers of their pals for decades on our backs. Did the fellas treat you that badly as a probie? What is your point, if you have one? Sounds to me like you couldn't hack it, quit and now have a platform to try to get back at us! Did you use your free time to finish your degree or to pay for it? Fortunately for us you're in the minority, when it comes to how people define a hero.

Webster's defines a Hero as any person admired for courage, nobility, etc. Heroic is defined as 1. of or like a hero (see prior reference) 2. of or about a hero and his deeds. 3. daring and risky. Firefighter meets those parameters in my eyes. Perhaps you should consider writing to Webster's and have them redefine the definitions to meet your distorted view. I work out of one of the busiest firehouses in the country E.50/L.12/Bn.8/M.22 (look us up you won't have a problem finding our numbers) and getting to work on some nights could be considered heroic by itself, stop by and I'd be glad to give you a tour of the worst poverty and despair our city has to offer.

In closing should you or your family require emergency assistance in Philadelphia, PA, dial 911 and I or one of my 2400 brother and sisters will be there to help you through what ever tragedy is befalling you, in a quick and professional manner, we won't even consider your attempts at slandering our noble and chosen profession, because ours is a noble calling and we know it.

Regards,
Ken Pagurek
Ladder 12/A
Philadelphia Fire Department
215-783-4165

P.S.
Here're a couple of quotes you may want to ponder in your future writings.

“It is not the critic who counts, not the man who points out how the strong man stumbled, or where the doer of deeds could have done better. The credit belongs to the man who is actually in the arena; whose face is marred by dust and sweat and blood; who knows the great enthusiasms; the great devotions; and spends himself in a worthy cause; who, at best, knows in the end the triumph of high achievement and at worst, if he fails, at least fails while daring greatly, so that his place shall never be with those cold and timid souls who know neither victory nor defeat.”

Theodore Roosevelt



“Keep away from people who try to belittle your ambitions. Small people always do that, but the really great make you feel that you too, can be great.”

Mark Twain

Ken Pagurek

KenP
11-18-2003, 05:25 AM
Here's Dougs email address, I'd appreciate if we could all drop him a note or two telling him how wrong he is. Thanks

: doug@aseasonoffire.com

WoofsPlow
11-18-2003, 07:09 AM
Ken, just sent him an email. Thank you

WoofsPlow
11-18-2003, 07:15 AM
I suggested he put his talents to use elsewhere - perhaps a judge on American Idol?:usa

RPM
11-18-2003, 07:27 AM
Hey. KenP thanks for posting that pansy's uninformed attempt at rocking the boat. He is just trying to ruffle feathers and get his name around. I am willing to bet he'd have a change of heart in the 12th story stairwell of a well involved apartment building after carrying a high-rise hose pack, tools and spare bottles up 12 flights of stairs at noon on July 25th! Or how about if his child was choking on a toy....or he and his wife's baby decided to come early...on the highway in their car! And the part about 4,5 or 6 calls a shift.....My Engine Co. runs an average of 9 calls per shift or about 3,300 calls per year and while they aren't all fire calls....people sure do appreciate us extricating them from overturned cars....using a defibrillator on their 35 year old Father or just coming out to change an Elderly woman's smoke detector. I hope that guy doesn't meet a Firefighter in a dark alley....he's liable to crawl out of the alley looking like a Jack-o-Lantern.umpkin

Kyle Rose, FF/EMT/ Driver, Engine 71-B :rockon

W-n-K Landscaping
11-18-2003, 09:04 AM
Thanks for bringin that article to my attention- I will print it out and bring it to the station tonight so that everyone who shows up for drill can also get the info and email this joker as well. In fact, since I just got back from a HAZ-MAT incident, and we were reminded that our physicals are tonight, so I can bring it with me there as well, and It will get back to at least half of our county. Maybe we can overwhelm his mailbox and let him know how we feel. I may not be a paid firefighter( I'm even a volunteer HAZ-MAT Tech!!!!) but we still practice every week, and some weekends and we are very proffesional in everything we do. We work hard and devote out time to very worthwhile causes- be we paid or professional, and I know of very few people who BOAST that they are firefighters- they are usually the most humble people I know. I could write more, but since I I'm pinched for time (thanks to our early morning call! LOL!) I have work to do, so I will save it for later and put it in an email to this gentleman.

Bill

HAZ-MAT Tech, EMT-D, Firefighter
Oh, and I also drive for a volunteer ambulance service in my "free" time (Monday overnights! So today is going to be a really long day!! LOL!!)

And if you want to list everything, I'm an assistant Scout master, Assistant Den leader, etc... LOL- I jest about free time!

CNY Joe
11-18-2003, 09:16 AM
Thanks, I already sent this joker an e-mail plus I sent a few copies of the post to a few fire dept. I use to belong to. I love the people who do not know what they are talking about.

cardoctor
11-18-2003, 09:47 AM
this guy is a spineless pos
probaly pissed off because when he was a child
they wouldnt let him ride in the fire truck

i have a long line of fire fighters in my family
at my uncles funeral (commisioner james mc carey)
ill never forget the crossing of the ladders
may this pos rot in hell
john

Mick
11-18-2003, 10:13 AM
Careful with sending him emails. Numbers of responses are like ratings in his business - it what justifies his demanding a higher salary due to the expanse of his "audience".

If someone like this goes on a rant and nobody responds, he is unable to get sponsors.

RPM
11-18-2003, 10:33 AM
Mick is telling it true....Howard Stern got his start not because people like him, but because they wanted to see what he would do next.:headwall

Rooster
11-18-2003, 10:51 AM
KenP,

Maybe you should of invited him to talk a walk on the wild side and "Walk a mile in your shoes"!

Thanks to all for a job well done, that few could do or have the ability to do!

:salute

Rick

W-n-K Landscaping
11-18-2003, 10:57 AM
I have forwarded this post to everyone on my HAZ-MAT team- we are all volunteers, with a few that are also involved with the local city departments, I also founf out that this guys writes for Outside Magazine (outsidemag.com), a magazine that I used to purchase now and again- just haven't had time lately.

I understand your point Mick, but I know as a Volunteer- this article really riled me up, and I'm sure it hit home to some of my local bretheren, I kinda hoping that what we can do is flood his mailbox once, and then put the word out to boycott his book
" A Season of Fire- Four months on the fireline of Americas Forests". Lets overwhelm him, and then avoid him and what he is associated with.

Bill

Mick
11-18-2003, 11:12 AM
Seriously, forget "flooding his mailbox". That would be counterproductive. He likely doesn't even open his own mailbox. Most mail of this type is sorted into categorgies - such as "pro" "con" etc. Then, you can gauge the direction of the responses. In this case, he can simply record the number of responses to this particular diatribe. Now, he can go to a sponsor and report that he has a audience of xxx of which yyy are firefighters. He could then get a sponsor with something to market to that audience. Or perhaps a particular market area - like "83% of listeners are in the central New York state".

It's all about the money and if he can get you fired up, he's done what he set out to do. He may not believe or even care in what he wrote about. He simply found a popular cause, took a stand that would provoke and ran with it. Called a "Cheap Shot".

Pelican
11-18-2003, 02:12 PM
Ken, You might consider posting that on "firehouse.com". It's sure to get a greater response there, no disrespect meant to our members here, but their numbers are greater and all are firefighters.:usa

KenP
11-18-2003, 04:58 PM
Firehouse.com has been posting it. Thanks for the thoughts!

ff18wife
11-18-2003, 05:07 PM
Pelican -
Good call! Firehouse.com is an awesome site. That article will definitely get attention over there. My hubby is a volunteer ff/emt and I can't tell you how many times people have called him a hero for what he does. Like the time he brought a woman's dog out of the basement of a house alive while doing overhaul after the fire was out. He said the look on her face said it all. That wasn't even a person but a pet.


:shades I guess I can't believe that someone would have the nerve to write something like that. I guess it's true what they say, it takes all kinds.

-Denise

gordyo
11-18-2003, 05:57 PM
I will post this at my Firehouse for the guys to see. Better yet I may see if the chief will allow it to be put on our dept. website for anybody visiting to see.

scfall
11-18-2003, 06:41 PM
I have found its better to let stuff like that slide. No sense adding any creditablity to a jerk like that. Or passing it around for more people to see, thats just my .02 for what its worth.

Scott:headwall :headwall :headwall :headwall :headwall

atgreene
11-27-2003, 02:57 PM
Thanks for the thread. I've never had anyone that we're saving complain about our work schedule or tell me I'm overpaid. Its always amazing to me how fire fighters are convienent targets for anyone looking to make an uneducated statement to promote themselves.

Stay safe brother,

Lt. Alan Greene EMT-B
Portland Fire Department
Air Rescue Station
IAFF L-740