Hey guys I have a quick question!

[CraftyBigDog]

I was just wondering, the difference between off road and on road diesel. I know off road is high sulfer does this hurt my equipment like my diesel mowers. What does it do for instance if I were to run it in my truck? And now Im not. Thanks alot!

[Pelican]

The only thing it will do if you run it in your truck is make you liable to a $10,000 fine for tax evation. payup
The only difference between on and off road diesel is the highway taxes and dye.

[wyldman]

Pelican is right,it's the same stuff,just has the added dye and no taxes.

[John DiMartino]

i agree to a point. I got to say though from what ive seen,(i use the off road on my tractors) the off road is dirty.I have to replace the fuel filters every 100 hrs on the tractor,and the bowl is full of junk. On my truck i havent changed the filter in 45000 miles,and its perfectly clean.I get my truck fuel from Mobil or Citco 99% of the time.

[Mick]

Both points are well taken, though I'd be more concerned with having dye in the on-road. For that fine, I could replace the motor.:eek:

[Pelican]

That fine is per occurance too. A parts dealer in town here got dipped and his 2 trucks were dirty. Cost him $20,000 and he's now out of business!

I think the dirt issue must be either in handling (by dealer) or storage. I'm using off road in my Cat and Kubota, both are near 1000 hours with original filters.

[CraftyBigDog]

Then why do they say high and low sulfer? I just dont want to tear up my diesel mowers they were really exspensive!

[Pelican]

I've never seen a brand claiming to have a high sulfur content, just the opposite. Those that post "Low Sulfur" may in reality be slightly lower than some other brands, but they are just using marketing to get your attention. Seems like it worked.

[CraftyBigDog]

So you think it is okay then to use in my mowers, its dyed and its seems fine.

[John DiMartino]

should be fine in the mowers

[CraftyBigDog]

Cool!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[CraftyBigDog]

Heres my setup!

[CraftyBigDog]

Another

[Chuck Smith]

We use #2 oil at work for a few boilers (12,000 gallons a day when we burn it). Part of our NJ State EPA permit requires that we burn fuel with a specific sulfur content. I believe it is 1.2 max. I'll look it up if I remember. Seems that the sulfur content is all about emissions....

~Chuck

[cat320]

Steve I was just woundering what type of truck it was that guy had ? Was it like an F800 , p/u or 550 ? Or do they pull any truck over reguardless of GVW.

[Jerre Heyer]

In PA they only check trucks that have had a suspicion charge placed on it by someone. Otherwise very seldom do they check a truck however the fine is enough to make me run the right stuff on the roads. But then again you have to love the taxation for on the road use. Pay at registration, pay at the pump and pay for the road use, then pay tolls too.....................Drain the wallet.

As for the "off-road" use. Here we can use it in any equipment not registered for road use. This would include sleds and 4 wheelers even though we have to register and plate them for use. Trimmers, mowers, saws, planters, skidders, backhoes, loaders etc. All of the Special Use plates for the Hoes and loaders are supposed to be exempt and can run "off-road" fuel.

Jerre

[EIB]

Were do you buy off road diesel? Do you have to buy it in bulk? The only thing around here that is dyed, is kerosene.

Everett

[Chuck Smith]

Everett,

It is just #2 heating oil..... The same that you burn in your furnace.

~Chuck

[Pelican]

Cat, they were those Japanese cabover box trucks. Word is someone tipped off DOT and they went in and dipped the tanks. He had a 275 tank full of #2 for filling the trucks.

EIB, look at the bottom of your next heating oil bill. There will be a statement something like "Dyed fuel- fine for misuse." All oil not used for on road diesel is dyed to discourage misuse. Funny thing, last time I bought kerosine it was clear, no dye, no color at all. I used it to cut the oil in the machines for winter. It was priced the same as on road diesel so no point in trying to cheat there.

[Big Nate's Plowing]

around here you cant touch kero for less then $2.00 a gallon, better off using the $1.35 off road diesel:rolleyes:


BTW how is the kubota econ. wise?

[Pelican]

I've got the ZD28 and can cut a day and a half on 5 gallons! My Skag with 22hp Kohler needed 5 gallons every 6 hours, I've been very pleased with the Kubota, nearly 1000 hours and only a flat tire and rubbed through cooling line (fan belt rubbed it) for repairs!

[Pickering Snow]

Hey Jerre was thinking next time i come down to erie ill run all off road fuel if i get caught maybe i could help penndot so they will plow the dang interstate in erie :D


J/k its really hard to find a good laugh right know sounds of wallet draining mmmmmmmmmm

[EIB]

I have natural gas for my furnace. I wish I had fuel oil. The price of natural gas is going crazy. So were does kerosene fit among them. Is it more refine than #2 heating oil.

[cat320]

The kerosene is refined more some buisnesses cut the #2 down with this in the winter for better operating in the cold. But here it is not cheap it is always alot more than diesel .Natural gas you can only get it from one supplier and your at there mercy as to what they charge at least with fuel oil you can shop around .

[Pelican]

Kerosine also has fewer BTUs than diesel and will result in a drop in power with its use.

[Big Nate's Plowing]

Originally posted by Pelican
Kerosine also has fewer BTUs than diesel and will result in a drop in power with its use.

YES there is a difference, the 300k BTU salamander glows cherry red with the diesel and a dull red with kero

[jakegypsum]

Anybody have their on-site tanks checked by the state? We had ours checked by a state officer out of the blue. They stopped by without any warning and checked our tank. We had no problem. Everything checked out fine. No tinted fuel application at our place.
All of our diesels are truck engines except the '68 Ford farm tractor. Not worth a separate fuel sorce for that machine.

Jake

[CAMERON SERVICES]

Originally posted by John DiMartino
I got to say though from what ive seen,(i use the off road on my tractors) the off road is dirty.I have to replace the fuel filters every 100 hrs on the tractor,and the bowl is full of junk. On my truck i havent changed the filter in 45000 miles,and its perfectly clean.
As far as I know the main reason dyed diesel clogs fuel filters is because of the dye they use in it. When dyed diesel first came out the dye they put in the fuel was a powder, which was prone to clogging fuel filters. However I had heard that they had switched to a liquid dye over the years, which would theoretically eliminate the fuel filter clogging.