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DropPlow
09-08-2011, 10:33 AM
My sister suggested I ask you folks who have so much experience with all kinds of weather about my problem. I sincerely doubt any of you plow with a '08 Toyota Sienna (especially with a wheelchair lift in the back run by hydraulics). But your combined experience must be astronomical.
I got caught in Ellicott City, MD in a situation I can't find a name for other than a "flash Flood". I was on a quiet residential street trying to deliver medical supplies for my youngest handicapped son at the Medical Group Home where he lives during the week. Yes, there was a thunderstorm and it was raining extremely hard for Maryland, but the road did not have any standing or runnng water on it until I pulled to the left to back into the steep driveway of the house. I pulled forward, then looked back and about a 6" wall of water was behind me. Turns out it was shooting UP out of TWO incredibly long storm drains which had apparently filled to their limit about a mile away in historic Ellicott City, which sits on the Patapsco River/Creek. But I had no chance to escape. The Sienna I had only gotten last month was instantly sitting in water just shy of the driver's window. It killed the engine immediately. Because it shot up onto the street, it really had no place to run except some basements, I'm sure. So I was able to safely swim/walk out.
The water started back down the drains about 45 minutes later and then they backed up again, but this time not with so much speed and it didn't get so high.
Bottom line, I had it towed to our local, trusted shop (I despise dealers), and they diagnosed it was "vapor locked", although further inspection revealed there may only be 1-2 cylinders that got wet. The air filter was soaked and the oil is mixed with water.
Has anyone had the experice of basically submerging a 6 cylinder Toyota engine? Or the hydraulics of the rear of the vehicle which may be similar to that of a plow, as the van basically "squats" and then a ramp comes out in one awkward motion?
The "good news" is this was basically dirty water, but not very muddy. There was a lot of gravel on the road when the water finally subsided, but I don't think mud is a factor. Twigs and leaves, however may be. The interior of the front and back of the car had about 6"of water at one point.
I worry too much about circuit boards and such having had my B250 Dodge van in the shop for the last 4 months trying to avoid buying a new computer, but when we fially did, @$1,800, it still acted up. So I'm petrified that some electronic parts of the engine may have gotten wet and fried.
I am most concerned about the vehicle, as it is the only one I can transport my son in and pray I won't have to replace the whole engine.
I also wonder if anyone has any idea if this sort of thing might be covered by insurance (State Farm)?

Plow Dak
09-08-2011, 12:44 PM
I am so sorry to hear about this. i have seen this happen and it's a scary thing to see.
I have NO good news for you. Your engine didn't vapor lock, It hydro locked.
all your computers were under water ( up to 23 of them ).

You are in for a long road with this vehicle now. You may get this going but down the road your looking at consistent problems.

If you were at idle then MAYBE you have a 10% chance of the engine being ok.
Mixing water with any oil is a long road to cleaning up.

I would call your agent and i hope they will write it off as a total loss.
I know this sounds cruel but starting over with another van IMO will be a better avenue. I've seen way to much damage like you have and it's never a easy fix and a continual headache long term.
Take stock in everything they tell you and remember they don't have a Chrystal ball.

There is nothing in that vehicle that is not damaged in some way.

I wish you well and keep us posted as things play out. The more info we get the better we can analyze things to help

towman
09-08-2011, 05:04 PM
every vehicle we tow if from flood damgage gets totaled , insurance companies don't want to fix them over and over again, is cheaper for them to write you a check and move on

Chuck Smith
09-11-2011, 08:17 PM
Got this in e mail.... Hi! My name is Norene and my sister signed me onto your forum to ask an Urgent question about my vehicle, which was caught in a flood. Two gentleman responded and while I was hoping for happier news, I still want to thank them profusely for their time and efforts on my part.

...........

Can you help me, or at least relay my thanks to Plow Dak and Towman? I would appreciate it immensely. I probably do not qualify for membership as I do not plow, unless you call what I do with a 25,000 lb. school bus “plowing”. :)


Thanks!

Norene


Just passing along the thanks for Norene.

~Chuck

Plow Dak
09-12-2011, 06:31 PM
Thanks Chuck

DropPlow
09-28-2011, 08:13 AM
State Farm finally got around to making a decision yesterday and you guys were RIGHT! It was deemed to be a "Total Loss", yet they want the console back??? Do they sell them to unsuspecting people? Now to wait on the price. A rep from the wheelchair ramp company talked to them yesterday and because of the modifications to the van ("kneels" before you drop the ramp and the lowered floor and the hydraulics involved in keeping it off the ground) cost @22,000 (we only insured that part for $20K), they may be offering something in the upper 40's. I hope so! Because just to replace it will be $51,000 for a 2009 or $63,700.00 for a 2011. The only company that makes this particular type of vehicle does not have a 2008 for sale right now. Only time will tell...

Oh, BTW, I made a typo on the original post. It wasn't a 6" wall of water, but a 6' (foot). It leveled out at about 4'.

But I wanted to thank you all personally for taking the time to answer my questions - I truly appreciate every little bit of help and information!

Norene Parker (DropPlow's sister)
norene@comcast.net