Anyone see the new Snow Dogg XP

[snowplowjay]

Expanding plow :) adds 24" to the blade!!! :)

Saw an ad for it in this months Snow Business...

I think someone mentioned hints about it earlier in the year on here...

[Raymond]

They have it up on their website but no specs. Looks nice a stainless expanding plow!
Ray

[snowjoker]

Send one my way I will hang it on the front of a 12,000 pound pickup and use it in conditions that surpass most plowers on this site:D These company's need to let some of us who play rough test drive these new designs and plows...:mad:

[snowplowjay]

http://www.snowdoggplows.com/images/xp-small.jpg

Hmmm hopefully they update details soon!!!

[CGSI]

i am supposed to have pricing next week on it

[snowjoker]

Only problem i can see now with a stainless steel expanding plow is, the repairs, when things get bent. Stainless is not fun to play with while your trying to straighten it back out from being bent up.. I am not saying it will happen, but I am thinking out of the box on this one..

[JohnnyU]

I welcome the competition against DD, perhaps it will prove to be a benefit to both companies and actually bring some positive change to the industry....:rolleyes:

[BWhite]

I like the stainless ! I know nothing about Snow Dogg Plows . Are they any good ?

[hlntoiz]

I would love to see one in person.

[GMC Driver]

I would love to see one in person.

Ditto.

How about the GTG?

[CGSI]

Ditto.

How about the GTG?

Not from me you won't.... If someone wants to order one I will see if I can get one but I am not going to stock one this time of the year

[T-Zab]

Ditto.

How about the GTG?

Buyers is in Ohio. Maybe give them a call and a formal invite ?
Or maybe the Meyers guys will swing by there and bring one out for us to see :wink

Are the Meyers guys coming out this year ? They seem to be the only ones who show up every year.

[Chuck Smith]

Yes, Lou from Meyer will be there again this year. I believe he is bringing the 7.5 V with him this time, but you never know.

Trust me, Buyers is reading this thread.

They are welcome to attend Jerre's too. It would be a great opportunity to reach end users from various markets all at once. I don't know the rep who covers that part of PA. Buyers has my number and are welcome to call about coming to the GTG.

~Chuck

[BWhite]

Only two dealers in my area . None are close

[T-Zab]

Yes, Lou from Meyer will be there again this year. I believe he is bringing the 7.5 V with him this time, but you never know.

Trust me, Buyers is reading this thread.

They are welcome to attend Jerre's too. It would be a great opportunity to reach end users from various markets all at once. I don't know the rep who covers that part of PA. Buyers has my number and are welcome to call about coming to the GTG.

~Chuck



That would be very cool if they showed :popcorn2

[Chuck Smith]

http://www.snowdoggplows.com/images/xp-small.jpg

Hmmm hopefully they update details soon!!!

Details are up along with a view of the back of it.

http://www.snowdoggplows.com/snowPlowFeatures_XP.html

~Chuck

[BWhite]

I really like the SS . Do I see a chain lift and 1 1/2 " angling cylinders ? I have no problem with them but many look down on such specs .

[Pickering Snow]

I really like the SS . Do I see a chain lift and 1 1/2 " angling cylinders ? I have no problem with them but many look down on such specs .



:popcorn2:popcorn2:popcorn2:rolleyes:

[snowplowjay]

I wouldn't mind popping my 8.5' Fisher MM2 straightblade off and testing one of these blades out that is for sure.

[Basher]

Fred, Based on the illustrations in the Hydraulics Service Manual, it looks a lot like an SPX/Stone/Fenner pump:
http://www.snowdoggplows.com/ServiceManuals/16992920_A.pdf
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Wrong drawing, the XP manual is not posted yet and it is my understanding it does not share hydraulics with the VX.

Did you note the wings do not rotate? they are fixed at 20 degrees, makes it closer to an expanding scoop plow than a speedwing.

[JohnnyU]

Wrong drawing

Really? Thanks, I hadn't noticed the VX on that manual.... :wink I was pointing it out for reference's sake. :p


Scott, Can you give us an idea on the pump displacement, or will we have to wait until the manuals roll out? :wink

[CGSI]

Send one my way I will hang it on the front of a 12,000 pound pickup and use it in conditions that surpass most plowers on this site:D These company's need to let some of us who play rough test drive these new designs and plows...:mad:

Walt
Send a check my way and I'll drop you one off.

[BWhite]

Distributor in tax free NH quoted 4995 installed for the XP .

[lawnguy]

Has anyone pulled the trigger on one of these yet???:drool

[mr plowman]

just sold and installed a xp810 saturday for a 08 2500 chevy handled it great alot faster than the blizzard or western and it looks very heavy duty my customer loves it

[lawnguy]

I will be the first to say, what no pictures?

[Ford fan]

I was at Jerre's the other day and we were talking about them. He said they dont expand to form a "scoop" they just expand out. Nice to get another couple feet but I would spend the money and buy the real deal.

[jmac5058]

They dont go straight when retracted or scoop when extended?Its an expanding scoop,not nearly as versitile as the Blizzard.They are well made for reasonable price.

[Jerre Heyer]

Got hands on one last Saturday. Got picts too. Will download and post em. The wings are fixed. No relief ( cept bending steel ) and not as full of a scoop. But they look pretty and they are cheaper than a power plow. Got a couple guys looking at putting them on. They have destroyed others so what the heck let them try these.

[CGSI]

Got hands on one last Saturday. Got picts too. Will download and post em. The wings are fixed. No relief ( cept bending steel ) and not as full of a scoop. But they look pretty and they are cheaper than a power plow. Got a couple guys looking at putting them on. They have destroyed others so what the heck let them try these.

Jerre...if you need more just Holler.

[Jerre Heyer]

Got a dealer not too far away with a couple of pallets of them to get rid of. Was thinking of sending one home with Walt.

[CGSI]

Got a dealer not too far away with a couple of pallets of them to get rid of. Was thinking of sending one home with Walt.

Oh...OK... Hopefully he passed it along to you at a good deal. When are you going to tear one apart and see how you can make it "better"?

[Jerre Heyer]

Will thinking it would make some good donor Stainless and hydraulics:wink

[Fastjohnny]

Will thinking it would make some good donor Stainless and hydraulics:wink

LOL, got your tape measure out?

[Pa Teeny]

I saw one....looks tough but....I would worry about metal fatuge. It will not bend or break in 2-3 years but in 10 I would say yes. Great IDEA!!!

But, I would be worried about the transmission pushing alll the extra weight.....6" of snow at the extended distance.......too much on any tranny?


thoughts?

[snowplowjay]

But, I would be worried about the transmission pushing alll the extra weight.....6" of snow at the extended distance.......too much on any tranny?


thoughts?

Blizzard plows have been out there doing this for the better part of 10 years now... A lot of it depends on the operator behind the wheel and how they operate/maintain their equipment!!!

[snowjoker]

Got a dealer not too far away with a couple of pallets of them to get rid of. Was thinking of sending one home with Walt.

How come i just noticed this post lol ! Give me a couple weeks to ponder the offer... I would not be afraid to run it like i own it..... but if it breaks in a storm and needs fixing im not waiting for any ok to fix it. I am just going to fix it lol :popcorn2

[BWhite]

I have no doubt that any of us could severely damage any plow in less than 5 minutes . What will this mean ?

[smoorman]

On the one hand, anyone can damage anything in 5 minutes if they try hard enough. But I'll put this plow up against our EX series (which is as tough as a plow needs to be). The extending wings are simple and are designed with a loose sliding fit so you don't bind up.

Based on our testing - if you do go all "cowboy" on it and damage a wing it will still retract and function without damaging the center section.

It's actually a very simple design with a lot of steel (and overlapping steel between the wing and center section).

[smoorman]

I saw one....looks tough but....I would worry about metal fatuge. It will not bend or break in 2-3 years but in 10 I would say yes. Great IDEA!!!

But, I would be worried about the transmission pushing alll the extra weight.....6" of snow at the extended distance.......too much on any tranny?


thoughts?


Metal fatigue is always a potential issue on any product (especially after 10 years), but we overdesign so much that the steel should usually be below it's fatigue limit. How it works over 10 years will depend as much on the operator as anyone else.

As far as the transmission goes - everyone who pushes snow for a living realizes they are usually damaging their truck. It's a tough job for a truck - and just because you CAN push 10' of snow doesn't mean you should. That's why you are supposed to plow with the storm. I also realize that's damned near impossible.

However, we build the plows, and GM/Ford/Chrysler build the trucks. I'll let you guys argue who is better. An XP810 fully extended isn't that different from a VX95 in scoop - so it's not like we've created a whole new class of plow.

Interestingly the big 3 have weight guidelines, but have never stipulated a maximum push force/tractive effort/etc.

[JAGEXT]

Is this the plow that western is suing them for??

[CGSI]

According to the letter we recieved DD lost their case in court

[Basher]

Is this the plow that western is suing them for??

This plow never was part of the suit. There were no patents volated in the making of this plow:D

[mr plowman]

the plow may stay scooped but you have to rember that less moving parts less to fix later or damage I have a few customers with the white one and we are fixing wings every year don't forget it is a full 10 ft when expanded unlike the other ones

[snowjoker]

I cant comment on the XP yet... BUT once they get out into the real world and some of plowers who are aggressive gets their hands on them.... Then we shall see how they hold up.. If I didn't have a white plow and had the coin for an XP i would hang one on my truck and run it like I do the white plow and voice my honest opinion, good or bad. I am going to bet there is going to be lots of broken welds on these stainless blades, since stainless is hard to keep welded together, and add the vibration of the plowing surfaces which further more causes welds to crack.. perhaps im wrong, but the end user who does have one on here will post if there's any issues. Im always excited to read reviews of a new snow fighting tool..... Are these plows made in china like the other snowdogg plows ? At least that's what i heard they were made in china...

[smoorman]

I cant comment on the XP yet... BUT once they get out into the real world and some of plowers who are aggressive gets their hands on them.... Then we shall see how they hold up.. If I didn't have a white plow and had the coin for an XP i would hang one on my truck and run it like I do the white plow and voice my honest opinion, good or bad. I am going to bet there is going to be lots of broken welds on these stainless blades, since stainless is hard to keep welded together, and add the vibration of the plowing surfaces which further more causes welds to crack.. perhaps im wrong, but the end user who does have one on here will post if there's any issues. Im always excited to read reviews of a new snow fighting tool..... Are these plows made in china like the other snowdogg plows ? At least that's what i heard they were made in china...

Sorry, can't let that one slide. I wonder who told you they were made in China? Probably someone with money involved with one of our competitors...

Every single SnowDogg plow is made on Tyler Blvd in Mentor, OH. From plate/sheet steel the finished product. They are inexpensive because they are simple and we use more stainless steel than any of our competitors - and that makes a huge difference.

Your point about the durability could be valid, but we do aggressively test these, and we've never had an issue with failing welds on our large plows. In this case, the stainless is not welded on - it's a bolted on skin, similiar to what you see in poly plows. So the strength is really all in the powder coated carbon steel moldboard frame. We don't skimp on weight, so the plow is heavy (>1000lbs) - and we'd rather have a heavy plow that doesn't break than one that we save a few $ on and cut weight out of.

Stainless welding is tricky for guys in a garage, but with the right manufacturing setup it's no different than any other welding. We just don't do it on our plows because a COMPLETELY stainless moldboard would be prohibitively expensive. This also allows us to the right alloy steels for the moldboard frame.

Hopefully someday you'll get a chance to try a SnowDogg and see for yourself. I hope you all have a great season - it snowed a little bit last night around here (I live in the snowbelt of Ohio) - not enough to plow - but they really should have done some salting last night.

Happy Plowing!
Scott Moorman
Director of Engineering
Buyers Products / SnowDogg Plows
Proudly Made in the USA

[CGSI]

Scott
I am glad you jumped in on this. I carry Snow Dogg plows and Salt Dogg Spreaders as well as my full line of Boss and when i saw Walts post i couldn't believe it. Walt knows how i feel about overseas stuff and I could not believe that he would think I would even offer them if they were coming in from accross the pond.

In fairness to Walt the issue last year with knock off controllers and motors on the Salt Dogg line after Buyers went from a well known controller maker put a lot of people into the mindset that if Buyers will go cheap on some of those items where would they draw the line. I had checked to make sure those items were corrected and that nothing else had changed as well as reverified the products I handle still are manufactured in Mentor Ohio before I continued on as a dealer. Buyers was more than happy to verify that the controler issue was resolved and the motors on the new spreaders are bigger and better than ever on the stainless units that we handle.

As to Walt and everyone that B*tched and Complained that Blizzard did not come in stainless I find it hard to believe that now that someone has actually mass produced one that they are now questioning its durability over the long haul because of the stainless.

I am sure like was stated earlier ANYONE can purposly go out and destroy any item if they set there mind to in in rather short order but if taken care of as you would (well hopefully would) any purchase that ran in this price range how the product will do over time cannot be fully understood until it is in the field for that long and through the range of operations and operators that are out there.

I honestley believe that the Snow Dogg line of plows will withstand the test of time given a reasonable amount of care. If Buyers wants a fair and un biased opinion of a unit put to work and an honest opinion throughout the season and then a final synopsis at the end Fred has proven that he can do that hands down. If there were going to be any other people testing it on behalf of the group I wouls day Jerre and then Walt would be very good product testers and would give honest impressions rather than hyped up negative or positive results. With the areas the 3 of them live in the normal year of plowing would give Buyers and honest look at what the plow will be doing 4 or 5 years down the road within a year.

[BWhite]

I am glad to see they are made in the USA . When talking about products made in China or elsewhere , quality has a lot to do with the manufacturing specifications the US company gives them . . China will make anything we want, the best or the poorest quality .

[CGSI]

I am glad to see they are made in the USA . When talking about products made in China or elsewhere , quality has a lot to do with the manufacturing specifications the US company gives them . . China will make anything we want, the best or the poorest quality .

Yeah.. I agree that they will but you better specify every parts specifications too that you want in the assembly.

I still feel that if you want it done and you want it done right lets keep Americans working and keep our money in America. After all, every dime we spend there is a dime less for Americans to spend here. The next time you here of people from those countries buying another American Company or landmark that we indirectly bought it for them....:mad: How can your economy not be booming when the greatest gluttins in the world are grabbing up everything they can make.

We need to pay attention to the land where we live if we want to continue to live and work here under our own flag. That is the only thing no one has offered them yet but since we borrow money from them all the time it won't be long before they foreclose on us:eek:

[mr plowman]

I got a chance this fall to meet Scott and the staff at buyers and go through the factory during the training class . It was amazing to see all the products that they are making right there in Ohio . we saw the plows and salters from begining to final assmbley and testing all welding and powder coating done right there not China plowing!

[snowjoker]

Your point about the durability could be valid, but we do aggressively test these, and we've never had an issue with failing welds on our large plows.



Would it be ok If i were to ask how aggressively and where these plows were tested.. Curious minds would like to know.. Im guessing if they werent tested in Michigan, New York, Or Pennsylvania. then they were not tested under the most demanding conditions..Because nobody gets snow like these states. Unless your in the mountains... Like John said these areas can get more snow events in one season than most can get in several seasons...

[CGSI]

Hey Walt
We will have to wait for Scott to get back with us on that because I don't have the answer. It is a nice plow with no quality issues that I have been able to detect to date. I have only sold the MD series so far because the pricing to me on everything else comes in at a higher cost than my BOSS line does and with that being said people just prefer to pay less for a BOSS which is a proven product over time.

I had 3 of the MD 75 plows out there last year and 5 more so far this year and there were no issues with them and the owners loved them but again, they are a light to medium duty plow and are not generally in commercial service so like I said in the beginning Scott will have to let us know what testing was done on the heavy duty lines.

[mr plowman]

I sold 145 snow doggs last year and 45 the year before on track to do over 200 this year no problems just a few minor things I had more problems the last few years fixing new westerns and try to get paid for warranty form western. Buyers is a great company for warranty coverage and customer service We sell snow dogg, western, and boss

[smoorman]

Without getting into specifics I can say that the XP blade is based on the HD/EX plows, which are "old" as SnowDogg goes - having been in the field for ~5 years (including testing). The portion that is "new" is slide boxes and extensions which were tested in a couple of different ways. Before the plow was even built we had done a lot of static testing (similar to what we do with hitches and towing products). The hydraulics were cycle tested far beyond what I expected the motor to survive.

Once we finished beating up our in-house prototypes, production intent plows were sent to specific dealers in the snow heavy areas. We also continued in-house testing that winter, because lake-effect Ohio gets a very good mix of heavy to powdery snow. That continues even without snow as the landscape material reclamation yard up the street from us gives an excellent variety of mulch, gravel, and chunks of broken cement to "summer test" these plows.

The biggest question on this plow (similar to our wings) - is how much abuse can the wings take - and when they are damaged, do they still move, and did they damage the center section? The anwer in our testing was enough, yes, no. As far as welds go, we try to design so that welds are in compression, not tension. It's not always possible - but it's a goal. You also have to remember that our welding department, in addition to building plows, builds 20,000lb towing components with the welds. They are (and have to be) very picky about the welding process. The only welding issue we ever had on plows was a missing weld (very early on), which we jumped on very quickly.

Regards,
Scott

[The boys]

Scott it sounds as if you guys tested these plows like us Ohio boys always have. We dont need snow we when you have a recycling yard to " plow" in that was a very good idea. I hope these plows work out good for years to come. i was up that way this weekend and there were places that got plowed over around shaker heights on the 271 bypass. Keep up the good work and thanks for being here.

[mr plowman]

I sold 8 of these plows and everybody can't say enough good things about them excellent back draging one of my customers had a blizzard he said it is a much better plow than blizzard and faster and would never go back. The TGS07 is turning out to be a awsome tailgate salter one customer put dripping wet salt in it and didn't miss a beat he said it chewed up and spread any ting he put in it.

[snowjoker]

Ok since this plow is out in the real world now... I think its time for some video footage of it.. I still wish i had the coin to hang one on my truck to abuse.... :popcorn2

[JohnnyU]

I sold 8 of these plows and everybody can't say enough good things about them excellent back draging one of my customers had a blizzard he said it is a much better plow than blizzard and faster and would never go back. The TGS07 is turning out to be a awsome tailgate salter one customer put dripping wet salt in it and didn't miss a beat he said it chewed up and spread any ting he put in it.
The fact that these plows are fixed wing makes me really question that statement...:popcorn2

Ok since this plow is out in the real world now... I think its time for some video footage of it.. I still wish i had the coin to hang one on my truck to abuse.... :popcorn2
Me too. I haven't seen ANY of them around here. Funny thing is, I saw about 4-5 WO's running around last year, this year I've only seen snocrete's and my buddy's. Wonder what happened to the other guys. :huh

[mr plowman]

What makes you question the statment most people that look at it like the fixed wing design less parts to break and it expands to a full 10 feet not 8'9" in scoop mode like others

[toronto2]

Has anybody heard any more about these plows? After the winter some have had figured there would be some info about them.

[Turx]

Well, I've been watching this thread since spring hoping someone would update on the XP's. I want to put one on my 1 Ton Dump, but with only one dealer around there is no competition on pricing. It's not to late in the season for me to hang one of these.

[maelawncare]

Has anybody heard any more about these plows? After the winter some have had figured there would be some info about them.

I ditto on that. I found this youtube video of one. Looks like it had one hell of a first winter.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=znbj74M-b-I

[Basher]

Notice the dent in the moldboard. It happen from the rear. Stacking till it hit the lift arm???

[snowjoker]

Why are the wing edges cut at angles ?? man that thing drops wayyyy to slow ! I know the 810 blizzards aren't the best but I think i will keep mine over that plow. maybe im too picky lol

[wolcottseptic]

hahaha the drop speed is adjustable, mine drops so fast it bounces alot of the time but those they are all over the place around here and most counties and cities use them now, which isnt saying much but they are very popular

[jmac5058]

Judging by that tape I say it was totaly unimpressive.Slow hydrolics,not much

[maelawncare]

I agree. I would like to hear feedback from someone who actually used one last year. I need to replace both my 810s after this season and these seem like a good/cheaper alternative.

[snowjoker]

The snowdoggs are like $1000 cheaper than any other brand... I always believe you get what you pay for......:popcorn2 nobody has any feedback, I got some feedback from a dealer on them and i wont repeat it because i dont want any comments made at me for repeating it lol