What are you?

[Chuck Smith]

What is everyone? I figured I'd make a poll.

Owner operator, 1 truck.

2 trucks

4 - 6 trucks

municipal, State, or County employee?

~Chuck

[JohnnyU]

This year I am only one truck, although I have a buddy that I throw work when I can't get back out (say for a residential cleanup after the city came by).

I'm trying to add another truck for next year, hopefully I'll have enough work, and more importantly, a good driver....

[cardoctor]

actually have 3 think one will be a spare

do our own work plus started doing some comm.subbing
which worked out pretty good









john

[snonut12]

I am solo, owner operator with one truck and plow, both new. :D I currently am doing residential snowplowing, but might possibly look into a few small commercial accounts in future, but that will depend on my future full time career. ;)

[snowjoker]

Own the 2 trucks in my sig line, but the 84 is a backup and part time second truck if needed. Otherwise just a solo operator. Hopefully adding a big truck for lots next yr.

[phillyplowking1]

I have several trucks and machines going out doing all commercial work and all the big trucks go out with the city plowing streets.

[JD PLOWER]

We're currently at five. However there is no category for subs, and that is between 3-6 depending on the storm.

[Jay ALC]

2 trucks, also in my sig line, and 1 skidloader when necessary. Also a few subs as backups.

[gordyo]

Chuck,

I can't vote cause I don't own the equipment the college does. I just Manage everything and everybody during snow. Unless I would fall under the Municipal, State catagory.:D

[cardoctor]

Originally posted by phillyplowking1
I have several trucks and machines going out doing all commercial work and all the big trucks go out with the city plowing streets.

if i give you my moms street can she have preferential treatment
since im a member lol





john

[phillyplowking1]

My trucks are usually in Germantown,manuyunk,east oak lane or Roxborough if its anywhere near there ,Sure!:D

[jt5019]

2 trucks ... only one with a plow right now because we just replaced one with a brand new truck and yet to get a plow. Father/son company

[handyhaver]

one truck owner/operator with a few subs & stand by when needed.

Currently doing high end resi. work with one or two laborors on board to handle the blower, shovels & salting. Still looking for a few small lots to get a taste of the commercial end. If it doesn't happen this year, still have plenty of resi work to do this season.

Mark

[Crash935]

After 15 years of it, I gave up the all night thing, 24-7, only have about an hours worth of drives close to home then head to the shop to fix the stuff the all-nighters broke. Maybe when the kids start driving (scary) i will put another truck on to keep them busy.

[handyhaver]

phillyplowking,

That's some tough areas to get around in a storm. Wouldn't want to be coming down "The Wall" in a storm in one of them big trucks:eek: :eek: :eek:

[razor]

One truck and one back-up. My wife works with me, she does all the heavy work (shovelling) while I site in the warm dry truck and sip coffee and listen to the radio.

Ray:canada

[phillyplowking1]

Yea some spots can get real scary.Last year in the presidents day storm one of the 650s got stuck on Shurs Lane which is a pretty steep street had to get a 4x4 backhoe to push it out.

[Chuck Smith]

Yes gordyo, you would fall under State et al...

I was just trying to get an idea of the demographics (scary word at times) of the membership. It certainly takes all kinds, and I wanted to see just what kinds they are.

So far it looks like we have many 1 truck operators, that want to grow. Hopefully, with these Forums, you will all grow faster, and with a shorter learning curve than your competition.

I get an e mail, whenever a new member registers here, and I was surprised to see quite a few on the State, and Municipal level. I am glad they are here, as they can share their experiences with the rest of us that do the same work, on a different level.

Not to single anyone out, but GeoffD is a wealth of knowledge. He used to run a bunch of his own trucks and equipment, and now he is doing it on a Municipal level. I always enjoy reading his replies to threads.

~Chuck

[handyhaver]

I do alot of work over that way. Putting in a kitchen over on Manayunk ave now. It gets scary over there on a dry sunny day.
Not a whole lot of room to get around.


Mark

[seasonscape]

Solo operator with one truck, friend available for backup if needed. We're thinking about possibly getting into commercial in the near future (I'm all residential now and he's mostly residential).

-Tim

[Arc Burn]

2 trucks(1 is a back up with a new MM2 plow)go figure,my primary truck has a beat to death Fisher MM1 on it,the cylinders are about to punch holes thru the moldboard:geez
Plowing this year is down to well under 4hrs then it's back to the shop to do repairs for the hardcore boys.

[wyldman]

Down to five trucks this year,and still need to get another salter.Will be running one,maybe two subs this year too.

[landman]

I didn't realize how many guys here were owner operators. Sometimes I think you guys have the right idea, I was talking to a buddy of mine who just downsized from 3 trucks to 2. I thought he was crazy cause I just added another Cat hoe and 2 more trucks and 2 more salters and 2 more snowblowers. That brings my grand total to 11 trucks, 3 hoes, 8 salters, 12 snowblowers.

[Alan]

3 pickups right now, two with spreaders, one with a pull plow in addition to front plows on all three. One dump truck with 5 ton capacity and spreader, which will (hopefully, at last) get a plow mounted this year.

I'm the 24/7 person and have several part time drivers for the pickups, I only trust me in the 5500. It's old and has it's quirks, I can live with them, somebody else might try to beat them out of it.

[Fordhipo]

1 Truck with Boss V, with tailgate spreader. Have a back-up if I need one. A few Residental, a few commercial. I sub myself out if I get bored:D or if my buddy gets busy. I am basically happy with the amount I have, I really don't want any more or grow where I need more trucks.

[Mick]

Two trucks, two plows and a Vbox. I'm the only operator. I have some drives where I prefer the 7.5' and some roads/lots where I prefer the 9' so switch back and forth.

Next will probably be a V-plow.

[Honest Mike]

Its only me, with my one and only good ole Chevy listed in my signature. Im small time, few driveways, and a couple small lots. Id like to do a couple more, but I dont wanna get too big, I think small is good, for me that is. :) Mike

[landman]

I hear ya, ya never know when that Crappy I mean Chevy is gonna quit on ya! :argue :argue

[GLS]

Currently just one truck that I own and operate.

Hopefully by next year it will be two. Both equipped with plows and used as lawn maintenance trucks.

[flatbed]

80 blazer / meyer st plow.........first year owning my own set up......plowed at work for over 10 years.....company's truck......

[Honest Mike]

Landman, that was a good one! Nah, my Chevy runs like its brand new still. Good truck! Thanks for the kind words though. :D Mike :argue

[nben]

6 trucks this year, plus a skidsteer and at times, a Kubota L35. We try to keep one piece parked for a spare. Also two of the Walkers are set up with blowers, two Gravelys, several Honda single stage, and two 10' vee boxes in the bigger trucks.

Just ordered a 9.5' Everest quick switch dustpan for the HD with the wing. I'll post pics as soon as it shows up.

[Crimedog]

Well, we have two trucks. I own the 94 Dodge, and my dad bought the Blizzard 810 for it, and I will mostly be plowing with it, for the company. He owns the other truck, 80 Chevy K20 with a 7 ft. meyer. I'll be shaking in my chair(in school) when someone else is using my truck:rolleyes:

[W-n-K Landscaping]

One truck right now- although I have access to two different back ups, as well as a couple of different guys to fill in should I have a major problem. My other truck is only two wheel drive and although it is a 3/4 ton, and has plenty of weight in the back I don't think it will support a plow this year- might do some mods and try it next year for doing lots.

Bill

[Lawngodfather]

1 small muni

way more than 6 trucks out.

This year I will be adding my own snow pushers on skid steers.

[sno-mover]

I have my own truck and plow, and sub for a guy that has a good amount of equipment, loaders, pushers, skid steers.ect...

[Snoworks]

I have 6 trucks with front and rear plows. We use four for residential work and the other two for commercial. I also have a skidsteer with a blade and snow bucket.

Chuck B.

[jbutch83]

Its just me, working full time for the Police Department has it advantages and disadvantages when it comes to plowing. Took on too much work last year, spent a couple of days working 36-40 hours, backed off alot this year. Kept just two commercial, and will sub for 2 other companies when needed in town.

John

[YAKO]

it s just me and micah79 with two trucks and two westerns, and a quad with plow. mainly residetial with a few commercial.

[KenP]

Four trucks owned and operated by ourselves and roughly 15 subs. We stick with the commerical stuff. :cash

[nsmilligan]

I hope you mean units for trucks Chuck, cause this year instead of a new truck I went to a Case IH MX100 4x4 tractor, after pricing new pickups, and finding it was going to cost about 50K, where a new tractor with a loader is about 70K, and will last for years, plus the tax man is real easy when writing a tractor off, but considers that a pickup could be used for personal use, and I have to keep records to prove it's strictly for business.:canada

Bill

[CNY Joe]

I run 2 pickups, one driven by me the second is driven by my brother-in-law, we do commercial only with an occasional residential if we are helping someone out. Most of are work comes from subbing from a large contractor in our area.

[bossfan]

Own and operate 2 trucks, one loader. Subcontract 2 loaders and 3 trucks. :burnout

[windmill]

One '89 GMC truck with a quality Meyer 8' er :D and western vbox sander. I didn't count the ATV with plow. Hope to get another truck on the road next year with my summer guy in it (extremely reliable)
Also work closely with Grasshoppers and another outfit in town in case of break downs (not likely to happen with the above mentioned combinations):D Now where's some wood to knock on.
Ouch.

[Long0]

I ran one truck last year - Plus a backup.

I might have gotten too big too quick this year - four trucks with two backups - Only time will tell.

Andy

[John DiMartino]

I run 2-3 trucks regularly,in a blizzard a 4th runs sometimes,or a loader.

[KenP]

Originally posted by Long0
I ran one truck last year - Plus a backup.

I might have gotten too big too quick this year - four trucks with two backups - Only time will tell.

Andy

Since Andy mentioned this, I'd like to ask what would you expect to be acceptable growth in a year and what would you base it on?

[scl]

Two trucks, one driver. 88 Ford F350 dump, Western Salter and Fisher Speedcast, augmented with 96 Dodge 2500 with a Western. Usually 8-10 hours per storm. 7 Years, still love it.

[sonjaab]

Hey ALL.........1 truck to plow my own businesses
and a few commercial properties nearby also
a couple of driveways. Also plow up and down my
street from the firebarn to the state road when
we really get hammered ! The town truck that does
my street don't come out till 5 am anyway !

Ya never know when the fire trucks or ambulance
has got to get out of the barn!..........geo:D

[W-n-K Landscaping]

Hey Sonjaab- my wife has an aunt who's a memeber out there- and as a volunteer myself- we all appreciate it!!! Thanks!!

Bill

[Pickering Snow]

I have 8trucks two commercial crews of two truck teams my truck floats, two trucks for resi work and the jeep for a 40 unit condo complex would like to have more however the bank says say what next year i hope to beable to make the big step to a loader tired of paying for loader service . The crew my brother steve, denton, victor, randy, jimmy, johnny, larry, and me all of us have been together for 7yrs no turnovers 16years for me and big brother

[sonjaab]

Hey BILL !

Yea, Been bidding them for 14 yrs. and LOSE the bid
every year to the ######! LOWBALLER !

3 ft of snow in front of the barn and I am out doing
their job at 3 AM !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Makes me PISSED....But ya gets what ya pays for:soapbox

...........geo

[Martin]

I like the slow retirement , wind down, spent the last 15 years building a large route using loaders, backhoes, drags and finally I've found the warm dry cab, can still hear the radio and can really start picking the nice jobs, no speed bumps, good paving, little to no parking lots, flexable hours, and PAY right away. My buddy who is building now can have all my other jobs and is trying to expand, I still help cover some times but I've gotten soft, have a nice real job, pays well but still lets me take some time off to play in the snow.... and thats the fun part, watching the powder fly at 4AM with a full moon popping outa the clouds, the time when the fools are off the road and the whole place is yours. I like my V-plow, it's a 9'3" snoway and has been ok but getting parts is pricy, anybody have any cross referances for shoes?

[Mike Nelson]

We should have about 42 pieces out on the street this year. We own approx. 30 of those.
Three four wheelers, 24 loaders, and 15 trucks.

Hope Everyone Has a Great Winter!

[pro property]

IM the owner and operator.. for this season. Its my first year.
I have turned work away this winter. Bigger jobs. I am hopeing to add a second truck next year, or hook up with another guy to do some bigger jobs....
:canada :burnout :canada

[Tileman]

2 trucks one is mine the other is my sons. I have salter for my truck.
Have comerical contracts of our own. Also sub for a family (where I got my start in the business.) They have 3 pickups, 2 one ton dumps with salters, a 2ton with salter, and a bobcat.

All have meyers plows but one the new one ton dump, has boss v on it.

We have been doing it for about 20years.


Tileman

[Staley52]

see below for equiptment - currently mostly subing and driving another guys stuff till after the twins are born

[RPM]

I own and operate 2 trucks with Fisher plows and Henderson spreaders, and have 4-6 plow subs and 2 spreader subs plus ground crews. New Volvo wheel loader w/ 20' pusher on standby.:rockon pimp

[Dan725]

1 truck to start with this year and see where it goes from there. I am in construction and hopingto make :cash during the slow months. only doing Res for some good customers and a few other for now. We'll see where it goes from there.

[szorno]

We are a 3 owned truck company family run with a 4th in the making. We also have 2 subs. Total of 5 trucks as of today. Have 1 skid steer and 1 monster loader ready but not regularly used. This is our 3rd year with subs. Previously all family. (wife and kids) :D

[D&T Repair]

Just me, my truck, and my plow, as this is my first "official" year plowing for income.

[michfan]

I'm new to this site, and just wanted to let you guys know that you have great advice!!

I have the two trucks that are listed in my sig. line. The 1994 just got a new jasper engine so is ready to be worked hard.

The 1991, I just bought yesterday, but has a rebuilt engine and trans, so that's the back up, unless I find a good driver.

[campi]

I own 1 truck 1 ton chevy drive my self, sub commerical, do my own residential!! Campi !!!!:cash

[Honest Mike]

Michfan, welcome aboard, glad to have you here! :) I only see the 94 truck listed in your signature line though. :confused: Mike :D

[campi]

mike97, what kind of accounts do you have down in east hanover, i hope good ones make lot of $$$$$ let it snow Campi !!! :cash

[Honest Mike]

Just a few, not many. I do 2 small lots down in Orange, I do a couple neighbors driveways, my sisters driveway and my brothers driveway once in a while. Oh, I also do a small driveway in West Orange for some older lady. I cant really take on too much, because I have a full time job at my fathers repair shop and I cant just leave if were busy to go do snowplowing, even though Id love to. So, I only do as much as I can do without disappointing anyone. My neighbors know the situation and Im to do their driveways when I get home from work, if they didnt do them themselves already with a shovel or a snowblower. Its like with my sister, her husband has a brand new snowblower, but he would rather pay me to plow it and leave the snowblower sitting in the garage, but if he has to go somewhere and cant wait, he will snowblow it and be done with it. Sometimes he will just do enough of it to get out and let me come do the rest and finish it off, which is fine with me. I would never take on too much and then not be able to do it all, or not get there when they would want me to because I work my full time job 7am-4pm. Like I said though, I love snowplowing, but Im limited to who I can snowplow for. Mike :)

[michfan]

Mike 97 SS,

Thanks for the welcome, the other truck that I have is a 1991 Chevy K1500 Reg. cab long box with a 7' Meyer straight blade. I just bought this one and have to repair a couple of small things like replace hydraulic hoses and replace a light. Also the exhaust needs fixed. Just a couple little things, just no time to do them in.

[michfan]

Mike 97 SS,

Thanks for the welcome, the other truck that I have is a 1991 Chevy K1500 Reg. cab long box with a 7' Meyer straight blade. I just bought this one and have to repair a couple of small things like replace hydraulic hoses and replace a light. Also the exhaust needs fixed. Just a couple little things, just no time to do them in.

[sos]

First year plowing for myself and not under someone else. I work a 3 to 11:15pm regular job and decided to start my own business this past spring doing yard care and snow plowing. I bought a 03' F250 SD with a 7.5 Meyers poly already installed and still waiting to break it in. I have 15 residentials and one commercial at this time and am also working as a sub for a friend.

[windmill]

Welcome sos, to the best site on the web. Here you will find all the plow addicts and answers you may be looking for.:D

[BWinkel]

We run two trucks. I drive one, my wife drives the other.

[greensway]

One truck mostly the last couple years, cut back from 5-6 ten years ago ( in 96 had 5 my own and 8-10 subs).
I love plowing, so got a nice slow setup for this year.

[tovoninc]

I own and operate my own company plow truck. I sub for a large LCO in the area mainly because I have a full time job in addition to owning my own company that has semi-trucks leased to a regional trucking company. The plowing I do works to my schedule best. Multiple income streams;)

[slowpoke]

I'm a one man band been that way for a long time. Snow in our coastal area is not a guarantee. I've had as many as 45 paying accounts and a bunch of widows and neighbors I do as "freebies" I cut back to 20 or so for awhile. Got the new rig and better hardware this year to increase the efficency.

Then my younger brother retired one of his 3 trucks and I picked up some of the better accounts. I now have 12 small to medium commercial accounts, and 20 residential drives. With the addition of the Daniels this week I'm going to add 10 more drives to the mix.

I'm just one of those snow junkies who started as kid with a shovel, then a snowplower. I was fortunate to own my own business which allowed me to let others run it during the storms so I could go out and recharge my batteries. I was able to merge my business with another and I "retired" when I was 47. I've been doing computer work since my first desktop machine (1981) and now do a fair amount of web design and web marketing. BUT deep inside is the kid who likes to play in the snow.

I do it right, keep good care of my equipment and pay outrageous premiums for my liability insurance (especially considering that a good years is 6 or 7 plowable storms)


~jerry~

[Mick]

I'm just making a test here. Slowpoke's reply keeps coming up as a new post and there haven't been any posts since 12/12. Anyone one else having this problem?

[nben]

Originally posted my Mick
I'm just making a test here. Slowpoke's reply keeps coming up as a new post and there haven't been any posts since 12/12. Anyone one else having this problem?

Yup, for two days now! Thought it was just me.......

[Chuck Smith]

This poll I set to come back to the top when someone votes. It does not require a reply, only a vote. Seeing it at the top again means someone voted.

Sorry for the confusion.

If someone voted, the results have changed.... That is why I set it to come back to the top.

~Chuck

[slowpoke]

Phew... I thought I did something wrong.
plowing!

[BOUNDS-ELECTRIC]

1997 F-250 (1998 8' SNO-WAY)
2001 F-350 (2003 WESTERN-V)

[LBi Snow Removal]

I am new to this site and love it. We run 6 trucks, 2 of which have Snowman backplows, and a Loader w/ 12 ft Pusher. We sub a few accounts out if they are out of the way. We are still waiting for our first plowable event !

[windmill]

Welcome to the site, and the family, LBi Snow Removal. I hope you get some snow soon. I thought we had the poorest snow conditions on the site but I see there are many who have not had any snow as yet.

[JohnnyU]

Welcome LBi, to Snowplowing-Contractors.com!!
I'm in Peoria, Where are you located?

[stackitslamit]

WE run 6 trucks and a endloader

4 8.5 western
2 Boss V 8.2
2 Snowman rear plows
1 12ft snow bully pusher box

[windmill]

Another IL, man we need more Canadians. Welcome to SC.com stackitslamit :)

[JohnnyU]

Welcome Stackitslamit! Yes Henry, another Illinois member, I wondered when they'd all get here!


Welcome home boys!

[SNO]

Two trucks, but only running one this year and its not a full load.

Competition is extreme and no snow to boot.

Also have a sub / partner and he has a second truck.

All we need is massive amounts of snow... and a few less competitors. LOL

[WalkingMan]

Originally posted by handyhaver
phillyplowking,

That's some tough areas to get around in a storm. Wouldn't want to be coming down "The Wall" in a storm in one of them big trucks:eek: :eek: :eek:

I wouldnt drive thru Manyunk snowing with 2 sets of chains on.

[SIPLOWGUY]

I actually have 2 trucks but the 2nd truck is solely for my own driveway and in case the big truck goes down.

[CT18fireman]

Geeze Sno

There are other people on this site who tell of massive blizzards in Ohio and pushing over two feet of snow last year.

I guess it must miss you.

Donnesville must be the snow mecca of Ohio.

[kl0an]

One truck for me and I'll also have a 250 Suzuki Quadrunner (89) that'll push the walks and a small blower that'll work with it..

[NNJSnow]

My boss has something like 10 pieces of vehicular plow equipment, including 2 jeeps, 3 pickups, 3 mason dumps, 1 utility body truck, and one single axle rig for snow. He also then has 2 skidsteers, 3-4 Kubota 4x4 Excavators, 2 John Deere 310E 4x4's, 1 Payloader, tons of snowblowers both single and two stage.(nothing is rented, all owned). He has 50 commercial plowing accounts come winter, mostly office complexes one or two apartment buildings and condos and about 15 hotel lots. We cover most of northern NJ and a few sites in NY state right over the border. And thats who i plow for. I enjoy working for him but would really like to start my own operation some day, I already take care of a few residential but nothing big.

Jeff

[JGresko]

This year my dad has his 01'Dodge3500 with Salter and 1 Skidsteer.And about 28-29 other trucks that sub for him and 5 of them have V-Box Salters. And the landscape company he subs for Supplys about 4 Hoes for the Lots he plows to load salt and stack snow.

[Dwan]

78 F250 w/plow
78 f250 w/sander
92 f350 w/plow & sander
92 f250 w/plow
94 f350 w/plow & sander
95 f350 w/plow
3 each 975 bobcats w/3yd 9' buckets & 1 w/9' angle blade & forks
1 austin western 6 wheel drive grader
1 cat IT28 w/blade & bucket
1 788 New Holond w/bucket & forks

3 operators, Me my wife and a freind.
Just out having fun playing in the snow with our toys.

[landscaperpro]

4 trucks
f 450 sd w/ 9' sno way v
f 250 sd w/ 9' sno way v
ram 2500 w/ 8'3" boss v
ram 1500 w/ 7.6' straight job
skid steer as needed
combination of commercial and residential:headwall when it really starts coming down hard

[business]

3 trucks now, one is a spare. One salter, 1 loader/blower and 1 skidsteer now! Ohhh add my sub who cleans walkways and sidewalk, total of 7 Employees.:canada

[tjlands]

Owner operator. We run 9 plow trucks, all westerns one Blizzard(new this year). Two machines, one bobcat one loader. Two salt trucks.
:headwall Looked good the first week of Dec. Three workable storms and nothing since and nothing in the pipeline..

[Fred Neddow]

3 owner/operator trucks here , two blazers and a backup truck (see signature below) (and avatar). The backup is my daily driver and our business is a father/son joint venture , you know son works , father watches.....just kidding . Mostly private cottage roads and residential driveways , not much for commercial lots around here in cottage country..also a plow in the works for my atv in the near future(still figuring things out how to build it):weld :canada

[jakegypsum]

The three that are listed in my signature plus an old Ford 4400 farm tractor with a loader up front. She sure comes in handy during those larger storms.

Jake

[Alan]

Seems like there should be a category of "I'm tired and discouraged". Just not having a fun time this year. December '03 kinda broke my back with recordbook storms and truck problems and I find I'm haven't been psyched up about it since then. In all seriousness this may be my last year as a full timer.

[Mark Oomkes]

Seems like there should be a category of "I'm tired and discouraged". Just not having a fun time this year. December '03 kinda broke my back with recordbook storms and truck problems and I find I'm haven't been psyched up about it since then. In all seriousness this may be my last year as a full timer.

I know the feeling Alan. This season started off bad with breakdowns, short on help--mainly because a large customer wouldn't give an answer about what they were going to do--and me beng Mr Mom because of my wife's foot surgery. I was about at wit's end and then thankfully, the snow shut off for a couple weeks. Getting equipment back up and running, employees are back from hunting\Christmas\etc vacations, adding a couple employees and getting a new sidewalk rig from Jerre next week and hopefully things will start looking up.

I see I voted but never answered the question.

1 Jeep for sidewalks
1 Honda Rancher with plow and Toro Workman for other sidewalk crew (See next line)
Soon to be a Kubota RTV with Erie Special for our other sidewalk crew.
1-F350 with soon to be installed 8611LP Erie Special and Sidewing (about freakin' time, my fault) gonna be a really expensive trip to Erie.
1-1/2 ton pickup v-plow and back blade
2-1 ton pickups both back blades, 1 with v-plow, other with 8611LP
1-1 ton dually with plow and liquid anti-icing sprayer
1-550 with 8611 and back blade
1-550 with 8611 and back blade and spreader
1-F800 with 10' Viking and undertailgate spreader
1-F750 with 10' Monroe and v-box spreader
1-JCB 212SU with 14' Daniels wing plow and 12' custom back plow
1-Bobcat T190 for loading salt, also has a snowblower
sub out 3 loaders with ProTechs, 1 Manitou telehandler thingy with ProTech and 2 JD skidsteers with ProTechs