new oil storage

[cat320]

would there be a problem with leaving bulk oil outside even if you are using it so maybe there might be an air space in there?

[Pickering Snow]

Confused on what your asking Rick? Are you storing it in barrels ? gonna burn it? . Has for outside storage its not allowed here unless its in a containment area ,same has gas and Diesel fuel.

To be honest in Midland we are allowed to store no more than 3,000 gallons of waste oil on site in the building, sadly having a good year this summer we hit 3,000 gallons two weeks ago so unless i want to risk a fine i have to do controled burn offs at night which suck meaning i run the furnace up to 90 come in at 645am shut it down and open the doors.

Last year we burned 2700 gallons during the winter heating that tin shack of a shop were in . I would like to beable to store has many 55gal drums has i can but again DEQ is all over us along with Midlands new Waste oil Nanzi police.

[cat320]

I was thinking of just getting my diesel oil in bulk a 55 gal drum I have 2 ford that take it and and my compressor backhoe and bobcat take it , I was woundering cold storeage outside or in some kind of containment would that be ok. I was thinking of condinsation inside when the barrel sits for a long time inbewteen changes.

[Deere John]

I looked into the economics of drum engine oil like that, and I came to the conclusing that cases of 4 x 4 litre jugs made better sense for me. I too have a number of pieces that use the same oil, but the price difference was not great for the risk that storage, measuring and dispensing brought, and I couldn't take oil with me easily. Add the cost of financing (in a purely business sense) oil you may not use fo 2 years, and it became clearer for me. My 2 cents only.

[M1N1TRK]

if you are talking about buying bulk diesel from burke out of chelsea you should be ok on the gelling up aspect of things since they will have a winter fuel mix already in them, but it would be a good idea to purchase some howes lube or power service and add it to the mix.

As far a condensation goes, you only get that when you heat something up and cool it down, will it do that. in the dead of winter you should not have that problem, right now how ever where we have 70+ temps and then it drops to the low 50's you might have an issue with condensation.

Is it really that econimical for you to purchase it that way also???? I looked into it this spring for the same reasons as you and found that in the end it was going to cost more per gallon then if I went to my local Irving for fuel. They charge you a certain price per gallon and its usually more because they have to have someone fill the drum up and then they also charge you a fee for the drum that is refunadable once you swap them out.

as far as storage goes you can store up to 600 gallons in mass without a permit or needing to go to the DEP or local Fire Dept. I would however place them on a concrete mat of some sort just to be onthe safe side. I would hate to see you have a drum leak onto your land and contaminate something.

[OSCLandscaping]

if you are talking about buying bulk diesel from burke out of chelsea you should be ok on the gelling up aspect of things since they will have a winter fuel mix already in them, but it would be a good idea to purchase some howes lube or power service and add it to the mix.

As far a condensation goes, you only get that when you heat something up and cool it down, will it do that. in the dead of winter you should not have that problem, right now how ever where we have 70+ temps and then it drops to the low 50's you might have an issue with condensation.

Is it really that econimical for you to purchase it that way also???? I looked into it this spring for the same reasons as you and found that in the end it was going to cost more per gallon then if I went to my local Irving for fuel. They charge you a certain price per gallon and its usually more because they have to have someone fill the drum up and then they also charge you a fee for the drum that is refunadable once you swap them out.

as far as storage goes you can store up to 600 gallons in mass without a permit or needing to go to the DEP or local Fire Dept. I would however place them on a concrete mat of some sort just to be onthe safe side. I would hate to see you have a drum leak onto your land and contaminate something.

He is talking about engine oil, not fuel. :wink

[Pickering Snow]

Ok Rick sorry you meant 55's of new oil , Honestly like most have said unless your changing alot of oil your better off just buying gallon jugs when needed for Diesel apps.

We use a Lube station which has 10w30 and 5w30 each hold 100 gallons , then i have Rotella in 55 gallon for diesel oil changes again we change oil everday at the shop , the 2 popular oils i get refilled often, the diesel rotella depending can last for 2to4 weeks and i can get a replacement barrel on the same day if i call by 9am. When we do are own wreckers and equipment i order for them .

You also need a quality pump for the barrels make sure you buy a rotary hand pump if your gonna bother the other style lasts maybe two barrels tops before the internals fall apart. Has for storing outside i suppose that depends on your local goverment, again here in Mi anything like this is best out of sight out of mind concept.

[cat320]

It was just a thought both my trucks as you know take 14 qts a peice the backhoe and compressor are the 4-390 cummins so they take more than average.I was thinking with oil changes every srping and fall but some would be left in the drum if i went that route. and yes out of sight out of minde is always best , i could put it inside a heated space but was woundering if it is ok to leave it in an unheated space. I probably will not get it sounds like it will be more work than it's worth. Better just to get it in the 5 gal pails .

[snowplowjay]

They do sell enclosed bung containments for outdoor useage Rick. As Fred said the DEP is very tough in all areas as far as maximum storage limits of waste and fire insurance companies are very tough as far as maximum storage limits of waste as well as fresh product.

[atgreene]

I swapped back to 5 gallon pails. Did the drums for a while but they take up space and trying to refill to take oil in smaller containers to a job site was a pita.