Military Vehicles - CUCV

[JCurtis]

Just curious if any of you use former military vehicles and plow rigs.

I am considering looking for a vehicles designated as a

M1028 or a M1028A2 they are 5/4 ton ( 1-1/4 ton vehicles)

the M1028 is a SRW and can be found quite regularly while the M1028A2 is a DRW ( which is a rare find if you can find one they were mostly used as a shelter carrier)

I realize that most of them are beat, so if I were to find one I would have to do alot of repair etc, but I figure they would take a beating and keep on ticking.

Chuck Smith or any of you former leathernecks who are members here have any suggestions as to locating such a vehicle?

[Pelican]

Here's a few:

Zecon Industries (zecon@zecon.us)
Memphis Equipment (http://www.memphisequipment.com)
SECO (http://www.secoaugusta.com)

CSI,Inc. (http://www.humvee4wd.com)

[Pelican]

Is this (http://www.memphisequipment.com/Products/kaiserjeep.asp) what you're looking for? It's a 1 1/4 ton Jeep pickup. They don't list the military spec number. It sure sounds stout though!

[Lawngodfather]

Yeah, and Dodge is still building them on a similar platform.

Axles
Type...Full-Floating
Front...Dana Model 60
Rear...Dana Model 70
Ratio...5.87:1

Minus that ratio, 2 of my Dodge have those axels in them, I think my new '04 has the same one also.

Transfer Case
New Process...200 Series
Ratio...High 1:1, low 1.91:1

I have to check to see what's in mine, but maybe John would know. NP200 would be the number for this t case. My Wrangler has an NP231.

Engine
Model...American Motors
Type...6-230 Overhead Cam
Horsepower...132.5 @ 4000 RPM
Displacement...230.5 cu. in.
Bore...3.34375"
Stroke...4.375"
Oil Capacity (with filter)...6 qts.

I have been away from Dodge's old specs, but aint this close to the old slant 6, but I am sue it wasn't over head cam.

[Adams Plowing]

personally i would probably go with the 998 or the 1025 a little tip if you do get one keep an eye on your halfshafts and their bolts they seemed to give us trouble although we beat on the hummers pretty good...

[Chuck Smith]

We were just discussing HUMVEE's at work the other day. They do not go to auction. If they do, it is without the magnesium body. The government keeps the magnesium body. Too many liability issues.... Magnesium burns.

I will ask at work today where the pool is that our old vehicles go to be auctioned off. They still drive the 80's GM's they have every day. Both Blazers and pick ups. I would say that 95% of the new government vehicles (non-military) at work are Dodge. Cars, trucks, and vans.

~Chuck

[cat320]

it would be nice to get one orf those 1 tone chevy p/u's but the ones that your seam to find that are good are already spoken for and then fetch a very high price. like the ones from colmans they are around $8K or so.

[Pelican]

Chuck, is the M1028 the HUMVEE?

[JCurtis]

No Steve, it isn't.

The M1028 is a Pickup ( 1-1/4 ton) usually Chevy or GMC

the M1028A2 is the DRW version

[cat320]

I was looking at those gov. auction page and I saw some duellie p/u's for auction and they did not look to bad .Don't remember where i saw it on there but they had some.

[cat320]

here is that place where long got his big truck www.GovLiquidation.com

[76chevyman]

Hey chuck why would the goverment be worried about the liability of Magnesium burning? I know it burns but it burns at such a high temp that will never be reach in civil use. But boy when it burns its a show. and it goes quick. I think there must be another reason they keep those bodies.

Rich :burnout

[JCurtis]

CAT, that was where I saw them, but unfortuneately they are out in Hawaii.

I was hoping for something a bit closer.

[ratlover]

Under the right conditions mag will go up pretty easily. Ever seen one of those fire starters? They are a block of mag that you shave off of and make a little pile and then use the flint on the back to make a spark and light it. When it goes up it burns HOT too as you mentioned.

I do agree that I bet there are other reasons though......

A hummer with a big blizzard would rule :shades or maybe just a tank with a blizzard :D One hell of a way to blow open big drifts ;)

[wyldman]

Originally posted by Pelican
Chuck, is the M1028 the HUMVEE?

The military Humvee is an M998.

[cat320]

Jeff I knew i saw them but couldn't remember where thanks I wish they were closer I would not mind picking one up like dirt cheap make a good sander truck :D that is why they looked good tropical island not rot or rust .

[Chuck Smith]

Another reason is that you cannot replace sections of the body (can't weld metal that burns). Policy is to pop rivet aluminum over damaged areas, as a temporary fix. Then I guess down the road they replace the complete body section. I was talking to a guy in the motor pool just last week.

He was also telling me about the old days, when you could buy Jeeps. They stopped selling whole ones, and started cutting them in half. People started welding the halves together, and making unsafe vehicles. So the Army started quartering the chassis up. First, they would drive over them with an "88" (which is a tank recovery truck). They are awesome trucks. I will see if I can find a number for them. They can tow a tank at speeds of 50+ MPH.

As far as the dual rear wheel trucks, all we have is old Dodges with boxes on the back... EOD (Explosive Ordinance Disposal) has some of them..... I try to stay away from those trucks!

~Chuck

[cat320]

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[Chuck Smith]

Originally posted by ratlover
A hummer with a big blizzard would rule :shades or maybe just a tank with a blizzard :D One hell of a way to blow open big drifts ;)

How about a HUMVEE with a Fisher?

This is from 1998....

US Army Corps
of Engineers®
Cold Regions Research &
Engineering Laboratory

September 1998

Fact Sheet

HIGH-MOBILITY MULTIPURPOSE WHEELED VEHICLE
(HMMWV) SNOWPLOW
PROBLEM
In the recent past, especially in U.S. Army Europe (USAREUR), the Army had extremely limited access to snow removal equipment. The only implements available were graders, the M-9 armored combat earthmover (ACE), and the front-end loader for the small emplacement excavator (SEE). The SEE was designed with snowplowing capability, but snowplows were not available in the inventory. Also, the SEE was a scarce item and heavily employed where deployed. Because of the winter deployment
of troops into Bosnia and Macedonia, HQ, V Corps, and HQ, USAREUR, requested a quick response to the problem, especially in Macedonia for Task Force Able Sentry (TFAS). TFAS has a 1966 21/2-ton truck jury-rigged with an old 10-foot snowplow that, if made operable, would be a safety hazard. The truck has obsolete nondirectional combat cord (NDCC) tires; a broken windshield; no windshield wipers; missing or broken fuel, temperature, and speed gauges; and brakes that are long overdue for replacement. TFAS also has a Unimog with snowplow, but it is marginally operational and unsafe because it will not operate in four-wheel drive and regularly slips out of gear. The vehicle’s repair estimate in 1996 was $3000+; it still has not been fixed. In addition to the truck and Unimog, TFAS has a SEE with a juryrigged snowplow; however, by 1996 three rotations of units had spent several hundred hours working on it and still had not made it operable. For the 1997-1998 winter rotation, it remained deadlined, reportedly for parts. In October 1996, a special team was organized by HQ, USAREUR, to go to Macedonia and review requirements for the upcoming winter season. The TFAS commander requested a quick resolution to the problem of safe, efficient, and effective snowplowing. U.S. Army CRREL was asked to send someone proficient in snowplows and snowplowing, not only to be a team member but to teach snowplowing operations and conduct hands-on training.

SOLUTION
CRREL obtained a commercial off-the-shelf (COTS) snowplow specifically engineered for the commercial
Hummer. The plow is manufactured by the Fisher Engineering Company and the mount is manufactured by Arrowhead Engineering, Inc. The plow uses a quick-disconnect system called Minute-Mount; once the mounting brackets have been installed semipermanently, the plow and all other attachments can be mounted in less than a minute and can be dismounted in half a minute. The mounting brackets require no drilling, cutting, or welding on the HMMWV. Instead, bolt holes in the frame and bumper are used; the wiring harness plugs into the current lighting harness
and the power cable runs from a solenoid through the fire wall to the
battery. A controller cable is run through the fire wall to the plow control switch, which is mounted on the dash with Velcro. A plow was obtained by CRREL, mounted on a HMMWV, and demonstrated and evaluated on hard-surface and gravel roads, trails, and fields at the U.S. Army/Vermont National Guard Ethan Allen Firing Range training area in Jericho, Vermont. Snow depths averaged four to six inches and various depths from one inch to 81/2 inches were plowed. In accordance with data from previous studies, snowplowing operations should be conducted during the storm, and ideally should commence before snow depth reaches four inches to permit the greatest efficiency and effectiveness.

The 9-foot by 29-inch, 11-gauge steel, trip-edge snowplow was purchased with a continuous curve snow foil and a 1090 high-carbon steel cutting edge. The pump, hydraulics, headlights, directional lights, and attaching A-frame are integral to the plow, as are the trip-edge and the trip-edge springs. This heavyduty plow is commonly used on commercial Chevrolet/GMC K2500, Ford F250, and Dodge W2500 series pickup trucks. It has reversible angle control as well as up-and-down control, and the integral tripedge folds back and allows the plow to ride over obstacles up to four inches high. When the obstacle is
cleared, spring tension is released, returning the edge to its normal plowing position. During snowplowing demonstrations, 450 pounds were loaded into the back of the HMMWV; however, no significant advantage was observed even when plowing uphill. The practice of adding weight is neither encouraged nor discouraged, but any weight in the back must be secured. Follow-on tests showed that the use of tire chains provided additional traction (a significant benefit when plowing uphill) and reduced the incidence of tire spin. Chains also provided increased control when plowing downhill. (For more information, see the
HMMWV snowplow operator’s guide.)

STATUS
Eight snowplows are being operated by the U.S. Army: four are with TFAS in Macedonia, three are with the 41st Engineer Battalion at Fort Drum, New York, and one is being used by the Vermont Army National Guard in Jericho, Vermont. To date, these snowplows have accumulated more than 1200 snowplowing miles during two winter seasons without any maintenance or operational problems. At the request of the Commanding General, U.S. Army Engineer School, this snowplow is expected to be available through the Defense Construction Supply Center in Columbus, Ohio, by September 1998. In the meantime it can be purchased under provisions of AR 71-13 from Arrowhead Equipment, Inc., of Glens Falls, New York, for $4357.

POINT OF CONTACT
Nicholas H. Collins
603-646-4470
DSN: 220-4470
Fax: 603-646-4448
E-mail: ncollins@crrel.usace.army.mil



CRREL, 72 Lyme Road, Hanover, NH 03755-1290

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And the pic from the report....

~Chuck

[ratlover]

Still rather shoot a drift with a shell :D It would be a great way to gain extra biz in the summer with all the parking lot patching. Or even better yet napalm :eek: Who needs salt :cool: Hold on, its time for my meds............

[blackdog1]

if you want to see some better pics of hummers with fishers visit arrowheads site. They put them on H2's too. Seems rather foolish to me to put one on an H2. I bet there pretty bad ass on the real hummer. I've been to Arrowhead, very good service, they had a civilian full size hummer being outfitted pretty cool to watch. It's kind of their claim to fame.

arrowheadequipment.com

[labsnducks]

Chuck the "88" you are referring to is the "L-88" and is a tank retriever, that was made to recover the M-60 tank it is a tracked vehicle that is like a tow truck for disabled tanks, it also is used for recovery (stuck & flipped). They came in at a cool 177,000 lbs w/o any gear on them.

The only problem I see with the (M-1028) GM 1 1/4 Pick-up is that it has a true locked posi-trac rear (inside tire spins when you turn tight) and if you plan on using it during the summer, plan on buying alot of tires!:burnout we got around 6 or 7K miles out of them. They are very "tall" rears 6.00:1 or close to it, which ment not very good fuel economy.

Oh yea, they are all keyed alike.

Mike

[Lawngodfather]

CUCV on ebay right now............click here (http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=2459599842&category=6154)

[Adams Plowing]

M-88 A1 Tank recovery vehicle

[Adams Plowing]

M88A2 tank spec diagram

[snowplowjay]

How about one of these???