u edge for blizzard 810

[REED384]

has anyone put a uedge on a 810 ?i am considering it as i need a new one edge soon and heard u edges are a better system.

[Gregg Blair]

Rick,

Blizzard is working to get these out in the near future. There are a few prototype sets being used in different states and different environments. I think it's a very good design, and I believe the Blizzard owners will be very happy with this upgrade.

As has been mentioned in previous threads, these will only be available from Blizzard.

Gregg

[Ohiosnow]

As has been mentioned in previous threads, these will.only be available from Blizzard. :rolleyes:
Nothing like a middleman (Blizzard) to be able to bump up the cost:rolleyes: I'd hope someother u-edge supplier can make something close to it so they can't make a set price with no competition ;)

[Gregg Blair]

I'm sure there will be cheaper imitations made, but the Blizzard design is pretty impressive and the fact that they've chosen to use Polar Edge material speaks highly for their desire to offer a quality product. Not that I'm biased or anything.

Gregg

[KLMlawn]

Uhm, there are already other manufacturers with designs for what they feel is a workable U-edge on the 810 Blizzards, and have in fact got their own prototypes in the works and out for testing.
As I am sure that Gregg wants to make his company stand out from the rest by assuring everyone that his edge is the best, as any good PR or sales rep should, I believe that if you speak to anyone of the same capacity as his in any other Urethane products manufacturer, they would boast the same claims.
As for Blizzard working with his particular company, I am sure logistics and price have more to do with that than any other factor.

If anyone is interested in these when they are available, PM me or drop me an e-mail.

[Pelican]

As for Blizzard working with his particular company, I am sure logistics and price have more to do with that than any other factor.
That's pure speculation on your part my friend, and a very dangerous area to venture into.

The Polar/Blizzard edges are currently being field tested and if peformance is up to standard, will be available soon.

[Gregg Blair]

KLM,

I respect your comments, and I'm in no position to argue cutting edge alternatives with those who use them on a daily basis. You're right, I'm just trying to market my product to the best of my ability.

Let me just say that Polar Edge is proving itself to be a leader in this industry, and if you've ever purchased from us, or asked us to quote against other manufacturers you'd find that we are not usually the less expensive choice. Once again, as in most of the urethane discussions I've read or participated in on this site, I must reiterate that you get what you pay for. Yes there will be others in the market, and they may provide a "workable" product, but there are those in the industry who want something more than "workable." Logistically, I don't think our plant in Warren, PA benefits Blizzard in any way.

Hey, let's just let it go at that. We're putting way too much discussion into something that hasn't even hit the market. Let's plan on revisiting this discussion this time next year when all of the products are being used and performance can be discussed intelligently.

Gregg

[Big Nate's Plowing]

Originally posted by KLMlawn

As I am sure that Gregg wants to make his company stand out from the rest by assuring everyone that his edge is the best, as any good PR or sales rep should, I believe that if you speak to anyone of the same capacity as his in any other Urethane products manufacturer, they would boast the same claims.
As for Blizzard working with his particular company, I am sure logistics and price have more to do with that than any other factor.


ever price out a MPT vs a Superior? trust me friend cost isint the issue, it is a quality product, think blizzard would put their name on this? probably not.

Nate~

[Big Nate's Plowing]

damn pic didnt take, no img code in this forum:rolleyes:

[KLMlawn]

Originally posted by Big Nate's Plowing
damn pic didnt take, no img code in this forum:rolleyes:

Nate, how are we to tell if that is an edge from Falline, CUE, MTP, or even Superior ... just about everyones lowest grade is either a translucent blond or yellow color ... and actually color is a standard with some products but not others.
Yellow, Black, Blue, Red .... hell they could be purple or green if that is the spec you want.

and Pelican, I guess in fairness, not having used a Polar edge yet ... I probably shouldn't make comment, but don't tell me where I can and can not go with my beliefs and opinions ... just doesn't become you ... oh, and I will worry about the temprature, I don't need you to tell me.

[Lawngodfather]

Originally posted by Pelican
That's pure speculation on your part my friend, and a very dangerous area to venture into.

The Polar/Blizzard edges are currently being field tested and if peformance is up to standard, will be available soon. Don't debates have speculations in them?

So no one can discuss what else it out ther anymore?

I thought that was a thing of the past at some other forum?:D ;) :D ;) :D

[Waterchikn]

Well, I guess there are two ways to look at it. Either keep speculating about how something is going to perform before it is even on the market, have swift opinions with no intelligence involved. Or stay quiet and wait for the facts to see who's edge will perform the best per product. I am going to wait and see the results so I don't end up pulling my boots out of my mouth.
I like disscusion, not speculation. But thats just me.

[BRL]

Hey, looks like we're having some real fun here! Let's play nice though please.

"As for Blizzard working with his particular company, I am sure logistics and price have more to do with that than any other factor. "

I have never heard Polar Edge used in the same sentence with cheapest. I have no idea how the logistics would work in this situation. So technically this might be pure speculation? If not, please share how you are "sure".

"Nothing like a middleman (Blizzard) to be able to bump up the cost I'd hope someother u-edge supplier can make something close to it so they can't make a set price with no competition "

OhioSnow,
Blizzard, Western, Meyer, Boss, et al all sell their own "brand" of OEM steel cutting edges manufactured by them, or some steel manufacturer. You can also buy "aftermarket" steel cutting cutting edges from a variety of other companies also. How come I haven't seen you posts complaints about those middlemen? ;)

"If anyone is interested in these when they are available, PM me or drop me an e-mail."

I believe Dino has posted here that MPT is also designing an edge to work with the Blizzard plows. If not, he told me in a private conversation but never said it was any kind of secret. I am sure all of the other manufacturers are working on them as well. No big deal. These edges from the other companies will just
be considered "aftermarket" by Blizzard. So why not share the source here for all of our benefit, instead of PM's?

Nate,
Please tell us what brand that edge is. I would bet (big difference from "I'm sure" ;) ) if it is an MPT edge, it was replaced no questions asked. This is from having dealt with that brand, and knowing they stand behind their product 100%. (unless of course it was determined that someone just got real hungry in the middle of their plow shift in the middle of the night & everything around was closed :grinz )

"but don't tell me where I can and can not go with my beliefs and opinions ... just doesn't become you ... oh, and I will worry about the temprature, I don't need you to tell me."

Wow! That came out of left field. I didn't see anything like that in Pelican's posts. What are you talking about?

"Don't debates have speculations in them?"

I always thought people were supposed to use facts in debates?? :confused:

When debating here, Chuck would like us to use first hand knowledge & facts. From the rules here http://www.snowplowing-contractors.com/forums/forum_rules.html :

"=+Please do not slam products. IF you own a particular brand, you are welcome to share your experiences. If you plan to share second hand information, please be sure to mention the information is second hand."

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Feel free to post them. If you sell plows, tell us. Put a link in your signature. If you will offer members here discounts, tell us. If you see a new product that would interest us, tell us about it. If you are a plow dealer, than tell us. If you work for a plow manufacturer, then tell us. If you are a dealer, or manufacturer, and want to participate in our discussions, then please do so. If you are just here to constantly post about your product, but not discuss your product, then don't post. SPAMMING is not allowed here. SPAMMING is when you post about your product repeatedly, and that is all. Posting about your product in multiple forums could be considered SPAMMING."

"=+ These Forums are NOT for commercial solicitation or advertising. They are here for networking though!"

So I would say we can discuss what else is out there, and it is encouraged actually.

[Big Nate's Plowing]

I was compairing the MPT to superior in the post above, anyways thats a MPT edge.

the point is that it still caused downtime to change blades, if your not working youre not making money

it is like the lifetime warranty on craftsman ratchets, sure you will get a freebie but the broken tool is useless until you can get the replacement;)

[Ohiosnow]

Ohiosnow said:
"Nothing like a middleman (Blizzard) to be able to bump up the cost I'd hope someother u-edge supplier can make something close to it so they can't make a set price with no competition "
BRL said: OhioSnow,
Blizzard, Western, Meyer, Boss, et al all sell their own "brand" of OEM steel cutting edges manufactured by them, or some steel manufacturer. You can also buy "aftermarket" steel cutting cutting edges from a variety of other companies also. How come I haven't seen you posts complaints about those middlemen?
Bill:confused:
All I said was I HOPE someother u-edge supplier can make something close to it so they can't make a set price with no competition :headwall As long as there is other competition then there is no need to posts complaints about those middlemen ;) Now do you get my point :shades Other competition mean other choices that's all I ment :D
I've never liked buying anything when you only have 1 choice :cash

[urethane dino]

Trust me as the lead dealer trying to develope the edge for the 810, having factory input would be very helpfull. However having owners of the plows is a great help in getting the edges off the ground. If anyone local had a blizzard plow we would have had our edges out a while ago. Part of the problem is that blizzard is so small in the market place, that in reality, we dont want to put to much energy into developing an edge that we can only sell to a few customers. But we are trying.
As we all know I love a spirited debate but I will refrain from getting involved here. I think once the different brands of edges are in the market place, we can thn determine which design works better.
Dino

[BRL]

"As long as there is other competition then there is no need to posts complaints about those middlemen Now do you get my point Other competition mean other choices that's all I ment "

I got your point. Just didn't want you (or anyone else) to think that it was a bad thing that Blizzard was going to offer their own "OEM" urethane edge, which was the impression I got from your post. All of the manufacturers do it with their replaceable wear items. We're talking about a product that is not offered for sale yet. But like I posted, I am pretty sure there will also be "aftermarket" options available in the future as well, so there probably won't be that monolopy that you are hoping against. So we shouldn't be :headwall :cool:

Dino!
"As we all know I love a spirited debate but I will refrain from getting involved here."
What's wrong buddy? Haven't been eating enough Magic salt lately I bet ;) That was the last thing I expected to see in your post lol.

But Dino does bring up a great point. I might be wrong in my expectations that all of the urethane manufacturers will be offering an "aftermarket" edge for the Blizzards. The ones with the movable wings are presenting "design" issues that I'm sure are not cheap for their R&D departments. For any other newer or smaller market share brand of plow, it has always been simply an adjustment of what size to cut them, and where to place the holes if the customer isn't doing that themselves. In this case the manufacturers have to make serious commitments with the hope that there will be enough demand to make that ROI. Interesting...

Nate,
Thanks for sharing, and you bring up good points. I will add that even with that chunk missing, at least that edge could have still been used to complete the storm and or the next one until the replacement arrived. The quality of the pushing would have been affected, but the snow could still get moved, vs losing the plow pump, or breaking an A-frame, etc. There would still be the lost labor of exchanging the old for the new when it arrives, but that would not be a castrophic storm affecting break down (and believe me I've had my share of those over the years :fuming & definitely know the difference) Same thing goes for the steel edges that had similar pieces missing from them that have been posted here & at PS in the past.

Its funny, I noticed a smaller chunk missing from one of my MPT edges somewhere in its 3rd season & around 200 hours of use. It was only 4" long by about 2" wide compared to that one in the pic in this thread. Now I can't tell you how or why, but it has not affected the plowing at all. That plow mostly gets used with wings & there is never a trail left from that hole. And I haven't seen any noticible reduction in production when that wing isn't on. Go figure. :huh

[urethane dino]

I can tell you why that edge failed. It was top drilled and mounted, where the crack developed is where the bottom of the moldboard met the urethane. The stress of the edge moving caused a fracture and chunked the edge.
Now I have taken several of those back at no charge and replaced them. We then rip the edge on a saw making it straight and clean again, then use them either on our trucks, or give them away to local friends who just plow drives and the like. I will not resell an edge we take in on warranty.
As for R&D, not pick on any one maker of u edges, but has anyone ever seen the fall line catolouge, their pic of the boss plow with the edges square and no center wiper of any sort shows how little R&D some people do.
The blizzard edge presents some very unique challenges. The recessed cutting edge limits our height of the u edge. So all our 810 edges will be 6" and thats all. We also need to address the limited space between the retractable wings and the and plow edge. Also a retainer plate cannot be used behind the wings, so again we need to address some sort of bolt cast in place on the main moldboard edge.
The main edge we are working on is only 1" thick, so we are formulating a "blizzard" mix just for that plow to help with wear issues. I am not sure if we are on the right track or not, but I hope so. It literally has taken a few months of design, layout, hand casting and trial fitting some edges. All the while seeing no monetary reward for any of the parties involved. We are also looking at an edge with limited market appeal.
SO I need to change my tune regarding blizzard plows, and encourage everyone to buy them, so we can have a larger target base.LOL
Having the OEM maker back the R&D helps a great deal, however I am pleased to work with both a company and end users willing to make sacrifices of time and money to help our industry grow.
Dino

[trav720]

Hi everyone,

I am fairly new to this site and I just wanted to introduce myself and the company I am associated with. My name is Travis Amys and I am a representative for FallLine Corporation. For those of you who are not familiar with FallLine, we are a manufacturer of urethane products not only for the snow removal industry, but several other industries as well. While you may not have heard of us, we are not exactly new to the snow removal industry- FallLine has been supplying airports, military airfields, D.O.T.’s, and municipalities with urethane snow removal products for the last 10 years. It has been only in the last 5 years or so that urethane was recognized as a steel alternative for the snow removal contractor market, and FallLine has been there from the beginning.

One of the reasons I am posting here today is to refute an unprofessional attack on FallLine that was posted by a member that sells a competitor’s cutting edge. While I do not mind competition, I do object to careless attacks by someone who is not familiar with our company or our philosophy.
FallLine is well known as a leader and innovator of urethane products; this is largely due to our continued pursuit of improving our products and finding solutions to meet the challenges that our customers face. FallLine has 10 years of feedback from customers in the snow removal field (end users, dealers, and OEM’s), and we have made changes in our formulations and product design based on that feedback, all because we are committed to this industry.

As far as the picture in our catalog is concerned, the photo was taken approximately 5-6 years ago. One of our customers took a blank cutting edge, cut it, and mounted it in that fashion. While the edge may not be trimmed correctly (we do offer edges pre-cut and drilled), we still use the photo because it is a clean shot, and when viewed alongside our other photos, it shows the range of plows we have manufactured edges for.

If anyone has any questions, I would be more than happy to discuss our products or polyurethane in general either in this forum or I can be contacted via e-mail or by phone at 800-325-5463. I look forward to hearing your feedback and sharing my knowledge to better advance the role of polyurethane in the snow removal industry.

[BWhite]

If I experience a u edge failure . I would not be happy but if I had to I could bring the truck back to my garage and use my impact wrench to pull off the damaged edge and bolt the steel cutting edge back on that i am using as a retainer. Then call Dino ASAP LOL

As far as a retaining u-edge for a blizzard why not cut or mold a slot for a steel retainer or mold the steel into the edge .With just 1" on the wings to work with a retainer is a must . Here's something to think about . .... does the retainer have to be steel or even metal ?

[Big Nate's Plowing]

Originally posted by trav720
One of the reasons I am posting here today is to refute an unprofessional attack on FallLine that was posted by a member that sells a competitor’s cutting edge. While I do not mind competition, I do object to careless attacks by someone who is not familiar with our company or our philosophy.


no attack from what I see, the urethane setup looks half assed in that pic. the rubber hoof should have been left on, or even a piece of ½" urethane as a catcher between the 2 edges.

[Adams Plowing]

Originally posted by trav720
Hi everyone,

One of the reasons I am posting here today is to refute an unprofessional attack on FallLine that was posted by a member that sells a competitor’s cutting edge. While I do not mind competition, I do object to careless attacks by someone who is not familiar with our company or our philosophy.
FallLine is well known as a leader and innovator of urethane products; this is largely due to our continued pursuit of improving our products and finding solutions to meet the challenges that our customers face. FallLine has 10 years of feedback from customers in the snow removal field (end users, dealers, and OEM’s), and we have made changes in our formulations and product design based on that feedback, all because we are committed to this industry.

As far as the picture in our catalog is concerned, the photo was taken approximately 5-6 years ago. One of our customers took a blank cutting edge, cut it, and mounted it in that fashion. While the edge may not be trimmed correctly (we do offer edges pre-cut and drilled), we still use the photo because it is a clean shot, and when viewed alongside our other photos, it shows the range of plows we have manufactured edges for.



Not trying to be arguemanitive, and not trying to tell you how to run/advertise for your business, And i would have to say it would be a different issue and could be called an attack if people were just going around saying that about your product without reason, But the truth is it doesnt really matter how good or bad a product is if you advertise it being used in the wrong fassion that is how both the product and the company is going to be precieved. which is why comments were made about the r&d on the product becuase your company is advertiseing it as such. Becides one would tend to think that after 6 years someone would be able to snap a quality pic that is properly fitted. As a manufacturer you are dealing with people that know their equipment and when they see something wrong they are going to point it out, its not bashing a product its just pointing out facts of which you personally even stated that it is incorectly done.

[Lawngodfather]

Seth that was so good you had to post it twice????:D :burnout

[Big Nate's Plowing]

LOL yup, I agree with his post. I mean in all seriousness look at the pic below, it took me 30 seconds to chop in a urethane hoof in Photoshop and it now looks 1000% better

[Big Nate's Plowing]

sorry my browser hung and it resubmited the post

[Adams Plowing]

Originally posted by Lawngodfather
Seth that was so good you had to post it twice????:D :burnout

:D Yup! lmao... nah i was having trouble getting it to post didnt bother looking back that it did it more than once... :grinz :burnout

[Gregg Blair]

Hey Travis, welcome to the site. It will be nice to have some more urethane input, but I hope you have thick skin, these guys are tough and most of them know what they're talking about.

[chtucker]

and Fall Line makes my sno-cat parts too.....

Look at the ads fro Blizzard, they STILL show the old spring loaded hookup mechanism..

Lighten up guys.

[Jerre Heyer]

Seth, How are those U edges doing on your Pro-Wings???? Never heard back or got a post. Inquiring mind's want to know.

Travis, Welcome aboard. By now you know why I haven't called to become a distributor.

As for the original question I have kinda let this thread run. Here's the good news.

The superior edge runs smooth and cool on the 810. No bounce, no skip, clean to the pavement in slush and mixed snow. Down to the hard pack on cold blown snow.

As would be expected it cleans well over lawns with minimal scalping.

Dry pavement without any chatter or exciting grab so it goes from wet to dry areas without having to be lifted.

Bad news is Blizzard is going to keep the cost down so it's reasonable to purchase and use.

Even worse news is install is a breeze.

Well it's snowing again so I guess I'll be out again in the morning.
We had a couple of days of 40's and 50's to thaw things out and make a mess of the early snow today. The bottom is all slush and the snow is wet. Makes for fun plowing. I'll see if I can get some picts of the action as we plow out the "NO SIGNIFICANT ACCUMULATION" that is now exceeding 6" outside the city and is compounded by high winds causing nice 2'-4' drifts along driveways and roadways. OH YAH, wind changed directions and is blowing over the piles not into them. GOODIE.

Jerre

[Adams Plowing]

there working pretty good jerre... definatly a hell of a lot better that the rubber that was on there... i actually tried to stop by the shop the other day on fri but ya had closed for the day... I'll have to give ya a call i need to see about stopping over to have ya do a couple of small welds...

[Jerre Heyer]

Seth, In Wed till 3, Thu till 5 or 7, Fri till 5 or 7 depending on installs and Sat till 3 this week.

Was at the Ohio landscapers trade show last week for a few days. Took advantage of the nice weather for a mini vacation..

Jerre

[Adams Plowing]

K thanks ill prob drop by tommorow after noon i have some stuff to do in the morn but if not ill end up stoping over thurs...