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Pelican
12-20-2007, 07:43 AM
Reprinted from etrucker.com (http://www.etrucker.com/apps/news/article.asp?id=65508&navigation=CCJ_daily_report)
By CCJ Staff

General Motors Corp. and International Truck and Engine Corp., the principal operating subsidiary of Navistar International Corp., have entered into a non-binding memorandum of understanding under which Navistar would purchase certain assets, intellectual property and distribution rights for GM’s medium-duty truck business, the two companies announced today, Dec. 20.

As proposed, Navistar would acquire GM’s medium-duty truck business, which includes assets and intellectual property rights to manufacture GMC and Chevrolet brand vehicles in the Class 4-8 gross vehicle weight range. It also includes purchase of the related service parts business. Navistar would sell a competitive line of Chevrolet and GMC vehicles and service parts through GM’s proprietary dealer network in the United States and Canada.

Navistar would add the GMC TopKick and Chevrolet Kodiak truck brands to its growing portfolio of brands, which currently includes International brand trucks and tractors, IC brand buses, Workhorse brand chassis for motorhomes and step vans, and MaxxForce brand engines.

When a deal is definitively concluded, production of the vehicles would move from GM’s plant in Flint, Mich., to a Navistar facility to be named. GM would retain ownership of its Flint plant and continue to build other products at the facility. GM will continue its medium-duty truck relationship with Isuzu to market W-Series trucks through GM’s medium-duty dealer network.

The deal, terms of which were not announced, is expected to close in 2008 subject to completion of satisfactory due diligence, the negotiation of a definitive purchase agreement, customary regulatory clearance and board approval. Upon closing, transition of the business could take several months to conclude.

The agreement is another step in GM’s plan to focus on designing, manufacturing and selling cars and light trucks globally. The deal would leverage Navistar’s strengths in commercial trucks and engines, and advance its strategy to build scale and reduce costs.

“Navistar’s expertise in building International brand commercial trucks and its track record in the medium-duty segment makes them an excellent choice to acquire and continue growing the business," says Troy Clarke, president of GM North America. "We intend to work closely with Navistar to make this transition seamless to our dealers and customers.”

“This is another example of how we’re strategically growing our business for trucks, engines and parts, building scale and reducing costs,” says Daniel C. Ustian, chairman, president and chief executive officer of Warrenville, Ill.-based Navistar International Corp. “We are proud to incorporate the GM truck brands into our portfolio, and will utilize the scale to build on the success of both the International and GM product lines and their respective distribution networks

jakegypsum
12-20-2007, 09:04 AM
There has been a lot of talk about Navistar and the aquisition of the GM med-duty line. Many people have been chatting heavily on the big-truck message boards about the subject.

This will be interesting. There was even some talk about anti-trust laws being crossed due to Navistar purchasing the GM line since they are part of the Blue Diamond production with Ford. That partnership has been bumpy for a while. This could very well be the last nail in the coffin of that venture.

Jake

Pelican
12-20-2007, 09:33 AM
It's hard to understand how they could consider anti-trust laws here after all the aquisitions Daimler/Benz has made, and Volvo isn't far behind them. I actually thought Volvo owned the GMC heavy truck line, I know at one time they did.

jakegypsum
12-20-2007, 11:58 AM
Steve,

Yes. I remember that connection between GMC & Volvo too. There were many big name badges that were affiliated in that group at one point.

White, GMC, Volvo, Autocar to name a few.

I believe that Mack somehow got into that mix too which caused the company to release the Autocar name brand. This due to some type of anti-trust situation.

As for percentage of the market, I believe that I read somewhere Navistar has approx 30% of the med-duty market.
Ford has approx 9% and that GM has 11%.
(Not positive on those figures though).

If there is any truth to these figures then of course Navistar would have a nice peice of the market. This is where the government would step in with the anti-trust issue.

That being said, I doubt Ford would be part of this compilation thus taking their small peice out of the figure.

Jake

Ben427
12-20-2007, 02:01 PM
Volvo does indeed own the GM HEAVY truck line, GM hasnt manufactured heavy trucks since the Brigadier. Topkicks are all meduim duty, Hence why you can only get 16,000 and 40,000 axles and 300 HP in them.

hlntoiz
12-20-2007, 06:33 PM
Navistar screwed up the Fords now the GM's what next..........

IMO.....build a good motor and then build the truck around it.

Randy Clarke
12-21-2007, 12:57 PM
Navistar didn't mess up the Fords...all they gave Ford was the block and fuel system I believe. The screw up with the 6.0 was that Ford built the electronics and peripherals
The electronics control boast,timing, fuel rates etc. thats where the mess is.

I've been known to be wrong but I think that's the deal.

Cheers
merry Christmas gang

LarryRB
12-21-2007, 05:02 PM
Navistar screwed up the Fords now the GM's what next.......build a good motor and then build the truck around it.

THe 6.0 is not as new as most think, They've been running it in Navistar(IH) school busses for awhile now.. How come the Navistar labeled vehicles don't have the problems like Ford? because Ford does their own software programming,, You can't keep taking engines designed for class 3-5 at 200 HP and 380 Ft Lbs of torque or so, and cranking them beyond Oh my God with the pressures. Something has to give,,, I laugh every time I read it's Navistars fault.. I asked my wife's uncle how many IH engines busses came back. In 50 plus years of him and my father in law owning a CHrysler/Dodge/IH he can't think of any that lost an engine or had anywhere near the problems Ford has,,

Mark Oomkes
12-21-2007, 06:52 PM
Matt, Fred would disagree with you on the Navistar thing.

While some of the issues might be Navistar related--# of head gasket bolts comes to mind and leaky RMS, as has been stated, most of the issues are Ford caused. That engine produces more torque at less HP in the Navistar version than Ford is getting out of them. It goes back to keeping up with the Joneses in the HP war. Never mind work trucks need torque, not HP. That's where they screwed up.

hlntoiz
12-22-2007, 04:23 AM
Matt, Fred would disagree with you on the Navistar thing.

While some of the issues might be Navistar related--# of head gasket bolts comes to mind and leaky RMS, as has been stated, most of the issues are Ford caused. That engine produces more torque at less HP in the Navistar version than Ford is getting out of them. It goes back to keeping up with the Joneses in the HP war. Never mind work trucks need torque, not HP. That's where they screwed up.

I dont' know much about these things :nope, I was just making a negligent observation :huh

jakegypsum
12-22-2007, 08:57 AM
One thing to note is that when Navistar & Ford got together for the Blue diamond product, the Navistar (powerstroke) engine that was once offered in the med-duty Ford trucks was pulled from the engine options list.
It was way underpowered for medium duty application.

Cat & Cummins were the better options out of the three that were available.

My question would be, why couldn't the Navistar engine be set up similar to the way it was in the International medium duty trucks? (When used on the Ford class 6 & 7 trucks).

Once your are in the market for a medium duty truck, the HP figure does not have the impact like it would in the light duty/pick up truck market. There are other specs and figures, (like torque), that one would look for when specking out a class 6 or 7 truck.

Jake