Project sidewing

[snowjoker]

Ever since I seen these sidewings, I have wanted one. Since I am always on a budget I decided after last winter with all the wind we had, and all the pushing over as far as i could with the truck and 9 footer, just was not quite enough. After countless hours lookin at pictures of these things and Brainstorming, I cam up with this little addition to my arsenal. I would like to thank the members who answered my questions as well. :wink.. Anyway, here are some picks of the progress. First i took an old blade i had laying around , cut it and then added 12 inches to it since i needed something 8 feet long. Not sure if the blade was a northman, or homeade. Then took a western cutting edge and re-drilled it to fit and had to add 6 inches up front. since it was a 7.5 edge. Then add, paint, build a mount, then make a lift mechanism. Bought 3 monarch plow pumps off craigslist for $100 so thats the lifting power, and used a angle cylinder off my parts inventory. The long stroke cylinder will be here this week so i will post more picks later. Enjoy !

[snowjoker]

Rear of the plow extension, lift mechanism, and the pivot/swivel wich there is a 3/4 grade 8 bolt with the nut welded so it cant back off. Both tubes are capped. this connects to the blade allowing it to trip and allow the rear of it to dip lower preventing any bending on the front pin.

[snowjoker]

Lower mount, upper and rear mounting points.

[snowjoker]

Mounted up and testing out the lift. Trip springs and extend cylinder will be this week and hopefully paint on the rest of this thing. Only thing is i only have about 10 inches ground clearance, but i might be able to move the front swivel point a tad lower to get a little more.

[snowplowjay]

Nice work Walt. Looks like things are coming along nicely!!!


Jay

[Plow Dak]

Thats some fabrication Walt.
Very interesting. I pity those dam snowbanks :)

[Jerre Heyer]

Walt. we used a cam system for the front point on the newer units. If you want some picts I can get them for you. You can get about 20" on the front that way.

Jerre

[snowjoker]

Sure jerre would like to see how they are done up, I still have plenty of time to adjust the mount.

[GMC Driver]

Walt - that's some handiwork!

You've got me a tad jealous, as this is the type of things I wish I had time for. I've also been envious of the sidewings, and would love to add one to the arsenal. Just isn't in the card$. But wish I had the knowledge as well - that's a skill level I can honestly say I can only aspire to.

But I can install a mean interlock patio.....

[T-Zab]

Nice job Walt !
Dave, I got one on my wish list as well.
I think side wing in the US is done, to bad.

[Mark Oomkes]

Walt. we used a cam system for the front point on the newer units. If you want some picts I can get them for you. You can get about 20" on the front that way.

Jerre

Nice work Walt, looks almost like a mfg SideWing.

Ahem, and when exactly were you going to share this little gem of info with us SideWing owners?

[EIB]

Looks good Walt.
Was there any binding on the front?

[atgreene]

Looks great Walt!

You could go into business producing them, I can see it now

"WALT'S WINGS AND THINGS."

[snowjoker]

Looks good Walt.
Was there any binding on the front?

Yep till I lubed up the rod with grease,:eek: I think if i keep this style mount up front i will run a chain up there, because i wraped the chain around the front piece and it lifted it up pretty nicely. But I will have to do something to limit the lift because the pump will pull that front mount right through the side of the truck if it goes too high.

[snowjoker]

Looks great Walt!

You could go into business producing them, I can see it now

"WALT'S WINGS AND THINGS."

:eek: I would make them but not for anyone in my area, because I dont want the competetion having the same tools as I do :rolleyes: :p

[snowjoker]

Trip spring mount. Darn Brown truck hasnt showed up yet with the cylinder....:popcorn2 Gonna have to make something to keep the blade from coming back too far it seems to pull back when extended out.

[JohnnyU]

Damn Walt!!!

Lookin good, wow!

[Jerre Heyer]

Walt, this is the new front for the sidewings.

Ball and socket pivot on the blade gives trip and lift all in one location.

The rear point pivots on a tube from under the truck.

This also keeps the blade away from the truck in pivot as it always pivots at the same place unlike the lift type where it's got a top pivot and the bottom jumps under the bed side.

As far as the back of the blade coming back to the truck on trip. ( Stop tube with springs mounted to it ) Sliding tube or box tube one inside the other.

J

[snowjoker]

Interesting concept Jerre. Oh BTW I did give that wing a good looking at when I was at the gtg :p But didnt understand how it went together since it was different from the ones i have seen in pictures. Would like to see some pictures of it mounted up if you use it this winter, or i could even make time to run down to look at it maybe this winter if things are slow :grinz

[snowjoker]

Cylinder mounted and hoses made up, only one problem. The pump does not hold enough oil to run the lift up and the wing all the way out, so looks like some tank work mods will be needed. I could have used a 42 inch cylinder , but bought a 48 inch and that baby is Loooooooooooooong

[Alan]

Walt, did you add oil and cycle the cylinder to make sure both sides of the piston are full of oil? With a DA cylinder once it's full it shouldn't take all than much oil in the reservoir as some is returning from one side as it's being pumped into the other.

[snowjoker]

I thought the same thing Alan, but am not a hydraulic expert. What should i do to get that cylinder filled up ? I filled up the resivour and ran it but now its overflowing when retracting. :beatsme

[atgreene]

Walt, if you keep cyling the cylinder in and out it should push the air out and equalize. Your resevoir should lower, but I can't imagine it will run dry. As Alan says, it should move from one side to the other.

Good job, btw!

[Jerre Heyer]

Unfortunately the problem is the volume of the rod end vs the ram end. On that cyl it's more than the resivoir volume. Best thing is to make or get a bigger resivoir for it. Come down tommorow for a run on it bud


Jerre

[Tileman]

WOW that is one nice looking sidewing. I like that Walts Wings and Things, has a nice ring to it.:cash

[jbutch83]

That is some real nice work there. I just wish that I had half of the skill to do things like that that you do. Very nice job Walt.

[Alan]

Walt, make sure the hose connection, on the cylinder, are at the highest point on the cylinder when you're running the piston towards that end. Hope that makes sense. The object is to get the air above the oil so it goes out the hose. Chances are that it's like Jerre said, the pushrod volume is greater than the reservoir capacity, in which case you're forked.

[snowjoker]

The cylinder has a 2 inch bore x 48 inch stroke, and 1 1/2 inch rod dia. Whats the volume of that so i know how much to add to the resivouir ? :huh

[atgreene]

84.86 cubic inches. Stand by.

[atgreene]

.367 gallons or 2.94 pints. Thats if there is nothing else there to effect the volume, and measurements are close.

[Garagekeeper]

Great looking set up buddy, you can just add another resavoir on top of the one you have on your power unit for the additional fluid capacity you need.
:rolleyes: John...

[snowjoker]

Well I added more capacity to the resivoir and its pretty much ready for snow, except a little bit of paint on the mount. Couple more pictures then you wont be seeing any till snow flys. Has to be pulled off the truck, hoses and quick couplers mounted up on the lift assembly.

[snowjoker]

Well to add to the sidewing the front blade will need a little work as well. Here is the Wing i made for the drivers side, Pitch forward about 45 degrees., and the passenger side will be straight out about 12 inches. I know there is a hole in the blade, thats getting a poly shield soon to cover it since the lovely powercoating did it more harm than good ....... Stay Tuned.......

[Jt13speed]

Everything is looking pretty good. The only potential problem i see is that wing mounted to your main moldboard. once you angle the plow to the right...that excess steel holding it on is gonna be sticking way out just begging to catch on things.

[Jerre Heyer]

JT, as you can probably see in the pic that I posted for Walt, We added an extension wing to the end of the wing on the Sidewing that we've been using for several years ( whew, say that instead of typing that )

This allows an extra 12-18" clear when blade is retracted and adds almost 18-24" when it is out due to angle. Yes it does like mail boxes but what wing doesn't.

Walt, nice job.

J

[snowjoker]

Jt if you look around you will see my prowings that i made the same way, and i have more hours pushing them than you do on that John Deere :wink. No failures, or mishaps. As for the design on that steel sticking out, you can clear as day NOT see it portruding from the outside edge of the first picture. http://http://www.letstalksnow.com/forums/showthread.php?t=1721&highlight=wing (http://www.letstalksnow.com/forums/showthread.php?t=1721&highlight=wing) will show my prowing mods, that actually does stick out.. Jerre i think you might have a brain fart, The picture your reffering too is in another thread buried in the vault somewhere you only posted a front shot of your wing. :p

[Jt13speed]

Haha...sorry jerre i have no idea what your talkin about in your post, are you refering to the actual side wing he put on the back of the truck? :huh Cause i wasnt. lol. Ill agree you definetly have more hours plowing then me, frankly the winters here in NY have flat out sucked and the JD doesnt plow anything more then my own driveway. cant wait to get my own truck! plowing!

before i start i just want to say that im NOT trying to sound like a jerk, its just curiousity has gotten the best of me.:popcorn2

So if i understand you right...you plow with the western plow in the straight position 100% of the time?? :rolleyes: So what your saying is that if you go outside and angle the plow all the way to the right and take that same head on view picture, that steel on the back-side of the wing will not stick out at all? sry but that hard for me to believe...unless its decieving and is cut at an angle.

What kind of plowing do you do? roads, driveways, parking lots

[snowjoker]

The reason for the wing to be pitched like that is because of the sidewing, I want to be able to push a FULL windrow. There is no efficiency in taking half bites, and, I am in NY as well in a Lake effect area. I picked up about a 1000 foot private road with one driveway on it, There isnt any roads subcontracted in my area. Pickups cannot handle that type of work here. This year is a Test run with the wing to work out the bugs, but next year i plan on really going after alot of commercial stuff. As for your question on plowing straight ahead, I plow what ever way is the most efficient to get the job done. Most plowing will be to the right with the wing now so I just push everything over in one big pass :cash Time is money and this rig will make me more money in about half the time.

[Jerre Heyer]

Walt, J says he knows you don't have much time in the fall and winter, but you know the doors open if you want to come and visit. He plans to come up with the truck and blower and visit sometime.

Keep up the good work. J and the Admiral.

[snowjoker]

Who is the Admiral ? Maybe I can get a little time to shoot down once the plows and trucks are done:wink for a day. 150 miles isnt that far of a drive..... Maybe I can bring the combine so we can mount the blower on it :D:p

[Mark Oomkes]

jt, not sure where to start as you don't seem to understand the concept of plowing parking lots and\or driveways.

Most plowing does not consist of straight blading, and if it works, many contractors will use a loader\pusher combo in this case. A truck can not compete with the ability of a loader, although the BLizzard comes close. So most of the time you will be windrowing with the blade angled to the left or the right, depending on the lot setup and where the snow has to go, prevailing wind direction, any slope that the lot has and available space for stacking.

The wing that Walt added to his front blade will reduce greatly the amount of spill off the leading edge of the plow, allowing him to take a bigger 'bite'. The Sidewing allows another at least 4' of clearing\windrowing while angling to the right. Yes it does hang off the side of the truck, and you need to be very cautious. This setup is not for everyone and works well. I can clear about 14' with my Blizzard and Sidewing. Parking lot, driveway, whatever.

[Mark Oomkes]

Who is the Admiral ?

Admiral Ooo-MO-Kiss :grinz

[EIB]

Walt, if you go down I tag along with ya.

[snowjoker]

Jt Bring up your Deere on a trailer to Walts Wings and Things for a snowplow makeover :wink Hell I'll even whip up a sidewing for that too:p

[Jt13speed]

No Mark its not that i dont understand the concept of windrowing...im 20 yrs old and although im not a professional plower, i may be ignorant but Im not an idiot!:rolleyes:

I understand that the wings help with the trail off of the plows,(i have a collection of snowplow product videos) it was just how i seemed to read what he was saying, how there is no steel that sticks off to the side when the plow is angled? My dad is a mechanical engineer and i have aquired a sort of engineers eye. To me it seems that the section of tube steel that comes straight off the plow connecting the wing on the left side of the plow will stick at least a few inches out beyond the edge of the wing when the whole plow is angled fully to the right. I didnt know if he designed them to act as like curb feelers or something to protect the wings will riding along curb lines. Hence why i asked what kind of plowing he did.

Snowjoker i think its cool that your fabbing up all your own stuff instead of having to buy what you want...its an awesome skill to have.

[Jt13speed]

HAHA i would love to get some wings on that baby...not sure dad would appreciate it though. You should see all the LED lights i got on it when im out plowing at night. :D its amazing how bright them little bicycle LEDs are...lol

[Mark Oomkes]

No Mark its not that i dont understand the concept of windrowing...im 20 yrs old and although im not a professional plower, i may be ignorant but Im not an idiot!:rolleyes:

I understand that the wings help with the trail off of the plows,(i have a collection of snowplow product videos) it was just how i seemed to read what he was saying, how there is no steel that sticks off to the side when the plow is angled? My dad is a mechanical engineer and i have aquired a sort of engineers eye. To me it seems that the section of tube steel that comes straight off the plow connecting the wing on the left side of the plow will stick at least a few inches out beyond the edge of the wing when the whole plow is angled fully to the right. I didnt know if he designed them to act as like curb feelers or something to protect the wings will riding along curb lines. Hence why i asked what kind of plowing he did.

Snowjoker i think its cool that your fabbing up all your own stuff instead of having to buy what you want...its an awesome skill to have.

Didn't mean to imply that you are an idiot, I was just trying to answer your question about straight blading which showed to me that there was some lack of understanding on how most plowing is performed. That's what I took from your question.

As for the steel hanging out the edge of Walt's front plow wing, yes it appears it will protrude a fair amount, but maybe he's not finished. I think we were all getting confused between his sidewing and his pro\danger wings and which wing was\is protruding.

As for the engineer comment, nothing personal, but unless engineers get off their butts and out into the real world, I'm not impressed. I can point out numerous engineering blunders on mowers, plows, trucks, bridges, roads, etc. that were strictly a result of cranial rectal inversion. (I'm thinking of lifting a cab and engine to remove an oil pan specifically)

[snowjoker]

I dont fit the bill for being an engineer, but I hope I can qualify as being a Fabricator..:popcorn2 Perhaps it will stick out at an angle I dont know. Have not hitched up the plow to check, nor do I care. I am open to opinions on how you would have done this. Keep in mind it will only attach the way you see it I will not add anymore tubes, bolts etc.. Shoot your ideas out , I want to hear them, I am not going to change it but perhaps for future projects I can incorporate them . :) PS remember I want to build it once :wink

[Mark Oomkes]

I can pretty safely say you fit the fabricator bill, Walt.

Another way of saying your PS is "When in doubt, build it stout", right?

[Jt13speed]

Thats what ya get for buyin a ford...haha oops, i dindt mean that :haha OH believe me i feel ya on that one about seeing things that are like :headwall. Sometimes i just want to find the person who designed things and ask if they actually put thought into what they were designing or if they just puked it out on the paper and said there ya go!:damputer My dad designes machines for like mass mail houses... like big printers, dryers, stackers, even the machines that put the little tab on the end of a folded in half piece of mail. He used to do design work on flight simulators, that stuff was really cool. He is always saying, "where the heck did they find the engineer who put this monstrosity together, get him out of a quarter gumball machine or somethin!"

Snowjoker, i think the only thing i would change is maybe putting an elbow or cut and weld it at angle that tube steel kind of like i did in the picture. And is there anything that holds it on at the top?

[snowjoker]

That would work, but I used my inventory 2x2 tube which is 1/8" wall. If i used 1/4" i could have done it that way. Remember this wing is removable. The piece on the plow shoe bracket is the reciever end and the wing has the smaller tube to slide into it. Bends seem to be to be the weak point unless its gusseted, especially in high stress areas.

[GuzmanProperties]

Nice work Snow Joker!!!

Good eye JT

[snowjoker]

Here is the straight wing, but looks like i might have to adjust the cutting edge once I get on level ground, but not a big deal.

[OSCLandscaping]

Nice work. I used to love doing fab work, seems like I either don't have the time, the ambition, or both.:( Keep up the good work.:weld

[T-Zab]

Here is the straight wing, but looks like i might have to adjust the cutting edge once I get on level ground, but not a big deal.

Walt send me a pm, I need a set of these.

[snowjoker]

Well in order to use my reciever hitch salt spreader a special hitch needed to be fabbed up with 2 recievers one to hitch the sidewing, another to hold the spreader. Todd check your pm box.:wink

[Landgreen]

Walt. I've been keeping an eye on you progress. Great set-up. I like how you fab. Outdoors in the nitty gritty using what you can.

[Jerre Heyer]

JT, Walts right on the bend stress. The straight tube works much better. When you cut and bend that piece without the gussett's it's a failure point. The straight version wings work great with the straight tube. The forward pitch one's you need to make a concession on the back side to get the extra strength out of it.

Walt, I like the bolt into the shoe pocket design that you use. We looked at that but the guys here were tearing the shoe pockets out of the plows so we went to a welded tube from the end of the blade to the shoe pocket with a gussett plate along the back side of the blade. It burns the paint on the pretty new plows but the trade off is no repair on that side.

I'll check with the steel genie and see if I can come up with some lengths of 1/4" for you. If you make it down I've got some extra 2X4 stock for you.

J

[snowjoker]

I welded the reciever brackets to the shoe bracket, the bolts were the old design i used when i had my cutom prowing brackets. I still have to run a length of flat stock to the end from the vertical rib.

[snowjoker]

I made them wings with 14ga. Thats why the bends look so nice, When i extended my other plow I used 1/8 inch and man that was not easy. 14ga is more than strong enough. Thanks J maybe after thanksgiving I can shoot down for a day to hang out and talk plows :D I seen the price of steel go up 10 cents a pound during this projet as well :mad:

[snowjoker]

I found out the wings are 12 ga. not 14. Finally got the rubber on the wings, and the poly shield on the main blade. Just serviced the pump and its ready to push snow the wings are just sitting on and not pinned in thats why there is a gap on the pass. side. And my home brew edge extender 3/4 inch mild steel just on the curbside.It was wore about 3/8 of an inch below the rest of the edge so i just welded it to the main edge to get some extra life out of it.

[snowjoker]

Well its completed and ready to rock and roll snow ! Jerre here is a picture in my ditch with the wing well below the bottom of the truck. There is nothing in my route with this much extreme depth but will be nice to know that there should not be any problems with it hiting the side when doing ditches. I did a measurement from the leading edge to the edge of the wing and its approx. 13 feet per pass.:eek: :grinz :cash One of my friends might be wanting me to build him one after he gets a demo on it too !

[Jerre Heyer]

Walt, keep up the good work.

Jerre

[atgreene]

Walt, looks good!

You may want to cut the forward corner off your cutting edge. We usually cut them off at a 45 so if that leading corner catches a broken piece of pavement or ledge it won't snub up and kick the wing up.

I've had a few leading edges of wings hook-up on soft pavement. The wing will either stand straight up and destroy the mirror and door on a heavy truck, or in the worst case I ever saw, flip around forward, tearing free of the push arms flopping down in front of the truck and destroying the front wing post. It was NOT pretty. Driver was going WAY to fast (we figured 45 or so) and he was lucky it did not end up in the cab with him.

Depending upon the style, wings have a habit of kicking up when they catch something. Go slow and make sure that THE TAILING EDGE of the cutting edge makes contact with the ground BEFORE the front sets all the way down.

Good luck, and remember, WE WANT PICS!

[Fastjohnny]

Walt, looks good!

You may want to cut the forward corner off your cutting edge. We usually cut them off at a 45 so if that leading corner catches a broken piece of pavement or ledge it won't snub up and kick the wing up.

I've had a few leading edges of wings hook-up on soft pavement. The wing will either stand straight up and destroy the mirror and door on a heavy truck, or in the worst case I ever saw, flip around forward, tearing free of the push arms flopping down in front of the truck and destroying the front wing post. It was NOT pretty. Driver was going WAY to fast (we figured 45 or so) and he was lucky it did not end up in the cab with him.

Depending upon the style, wings have a habit of kicking up when they catch something. Go slow and make sure that THE TAILING EDGE of the cutting edge makes contact with the ground BEFORE the front sets all the way down.

Good luck, and remember, WE WANT PICS!

Good points to consider, thats not what you want flopping around in the cab with ya, ads a new meaning to glass humpers:eek::eek:

[rgrimes945]

I just wanted to say I'm very impressed with your wing nice job, hope it work as good as it looks.

[Pickering Snow]

Good Job Walt was good talking to ya on the phone at Jerres Friday ,,,, like i said with what i think is Reg packing it in theres always a market there for those wanting a wing.

[snowjoker]

Thank you for all the comments :notworthy I am going to get some video of this thing in action somehow. I am going to try and build one with a trip edge plow and see how that would work out. I have had several people ask me how it works ? I said its in the testing stages and I would be happy to let them know the results, and or problems with it. My answer to everyone is I Dont Know. After lookin at Jerres wing and the tubes I might have a problem there. But time will tell. And if there is an issue maybe I can warranty it :p Maybe this weekend coming up we will see some plowable snow so i can try it out. :drool BTW AL I cut back a 45 on the leading edge so I dont take massive divots when I am using it LOL. And its setup to drop the trailing edge then the front and the front lifts first then the rear of the wing.

[atgreene]

Excellant then! You're good to goplowing!.

[RN Sidewing]

Well its completed and ready to rock and roll snow ! Jerre here is a picture in my ditch with the wing well below the bottom of the truck. There is nothing in my route with this much extreme depth but will be nice to know that there should not be any problems with it hiting the side when doing ditches. I did a measurement from the leading edge to the edge of the wing and its approx. 13 feet per pass.:eek: :grinz :cash One of my friends might be wanting me to build him one after he gets a demo on it too !

Leading edge off the cutting steel must be angled or rounded otherwise you will certainly, sooner or later, damage your truck and Sidewing!
....Reinhold

[snowjoker]

OK this thing kicks A$$ ! Only issue I can see is the valves need to be adjusted a little bit so it dont push in, and a marker on the end of it. This is not my lot, but a friend plows it and I went to play and test drive the wing on blacktop. :drool Truck was grunting a little once the piles got big, but she will be fine, and I definately need more weight. Was a little squirly but like mentioned in other threds the front plow keeps you straight ! more Picks and video possibly later.

[rgrimes945]

Nice job Walt, Keep the pic's comming. you need some action Shots..

[snowjoker]

Here is a better picture. Full Blades :drool

[SNO]

Wow,

That poor truck...

Nice job, looks great Walt.

[snowplowjay]

What a great job Walt!!!


Glad to see it's getting put to work right away this winter :)


Jay

[derekbroerse]

Thats looking great!!

So now that its out there and in use, how much "Real World" cutting width do you have, after overlap etc.?

And what do you figure your final cost on it all was after incidentals etc.?

I'd really like one of them for a couple of my lots... :D

[Mark Oomkes]

Isn't that an awesome feeling being able to push that much snow Walt? I'm glad I picked one up before they went Casper on us.

Great work once again.

I just have to get mine working now, it has a Viagra problem, won't go down. :eek: :greenange

[John DiMartino]

It looks great Walt! I knew you'd love moving that much snow in one pass. I also knew you didnt have quite as much truck as Mark,Bill,and I have to push with as far as weight and power go.Once you get some weight in her,you wont believe the difference,short of power,you will push anything a "normal" truck with a 7.5ft blade can.If power becomes an issue,theres always low range or a Cummins swap.:D

[snowjoker]

I took only one measurement and got 11 feet but will measure it again and double check. As for cost I am under 700 bucks. only thing thats new is a couple bolts and hydro hoses. Got the pump used, had the blade. I do see a couple things that need to be paid attention too, like the rod the plow lifts up in the front, it was dry and did bend in towards the body on the truck about a 1/2- 3/4 of an inch. And my stopper for the return trip of the blade has bent, but nothing major. As for production, I have a lot i can plow with my 9 foot 45 mins, add the pro wings to that plow 30 mins. But this truck and wing i did it in 20 mins! and had to plow around a parked car. I am positive that this will out plow a loader and 14-16 foot pusher in light snowfalls. One truck with a wing and a loader would be a killer combo ! I was totally impressed in the performance in this wing. People just stare at me now when I drive down the road LOL. I am very pleased with this project, and perhaps I might bring it to jerres in the spring if enough are interested in seeing it.

[BRUNSWICK CONCRETE]

Very slick workmanship & setup .

[derekbroerse]

Thats awesome!

Walt, I just realized you're only about 1.5 hours from me!! Love to see it sometime this winter!

Interested in building another one this summer? :D I think The Bomb needs one of those to compliment the 9'-2" Boss V....

[snowjoker]

Well this sidewing has proven to be very efficient in all my plowing so far. BUT after all the crap we got last night and today, I have some heavy damage to deal with. Used it this morning to plow this one gravel lot, wich is far from being ideal conditions for this wet heavy crap we got. I pushed the truck wayyyyy beyond its limits this morning with this mess, even had to drop it in low range to get this stuff moving. I used it then retracted it and went on my way, get to another account I shovel the sidewalk, and notice the cylinder is out 3-4 inches, no biggie, hit the joystick and the pump sounds like its deadheading. Try going out, does the same thing. Figured there was a stuck valve in the pump, finish up my plowing, get home, unhook the hoses to start diagnosing the issue. Pull the couplers off then hitched my s 10 up to the wing with a chain and tugged it. NOTHING moved! then I had a friend hook up with his F150 on bare pavement and he could not even budge this thing........:mad: the tubes it slides on show no bends. But aparently they must be bent.:rolleyes: So what should I replace this bent tubes with ? Maybe a square tube for the hitch up point on the truck? I know the sidewing tubes are very heavy duty and thick walled... Perhaps I will need something else ?

[atgreene]

You may want to get in the habit of shelfing rather than letting the wing run on the ground. Especially in heavy/rough going.

As for tube, something heavy.:p:grinz:popcorn2

[John DiMartino]

Sorry to hear you bent the tubes Walt. My original wing,a portion of the lower tube bent,but it bent between the outer cylinder mount and the frame.Its got a bow in it.Usually if the load is too much on my sidewing,it gently pushes the rear of the truck over a touch.Ive had 2 yards in the spreader and it can still slide the truck over ,no damage so far. Most likely just your inner tube is bent,hopefully you can either put a come along on it, or get a tractor/bigger truck than a s10,and heat the tube with a torch to get it moving while you use the hydro's to get it out of the tube.

[04SUPERDUTY]

you might want to replace it with some round tube, thats what all the arms on the big wings use, at least the ones that i have seen.

[Mark Oomkes]

Just a thought on the bending. I like how high it lifts, but am wondering if this is where the bending is coming from. That is quite an angle from the hitch on down to the mount on the plow which is going to create an awful lot of stress rather than just a straight push. Maybe need to drop the hitch down further?

[atgreene]

you might want to replace it with some round tube, thats what all the arms on the big wings use, at least the ones that i have seen.

I'm not sure round vs. square will matter. Bigger versions don't slide inside one another, the wing lifts and the arms remain the same length. The smaller ones I have seen have all been square, not sure why?

The more parallel the arms are to the ground, the better, like Mark says, maybe lower the hitch height, and go with heavier stuff.?

[snowjoker]

Your not going to beleve what I think the problem was :rolleyes: I took it apart, hammerd the one tube around, then hitched it to a tree and pulled it out with the truck. the outer tube is bent a little Where the reciever is welded on. So I take it to the steel shop, tell him whats going on, but said lets try a new piece of tube to see if it slides in. Well it went right through :eek: . So let me get the other piece, then put both my pieces together and not one problem binding, i even rotated it as i slid it down the tube. So I am thinkin with all the road traveling I have and the grit they mix with the salt must have jammed up inside this think :mad:. Good news no money spent ! Well i bought a 2x2x 1/4 angle and welded that to the outer tube opposite the mount point for the cylinder to stiffen it up... Till next time..:popcorn2