What about Dodge???

[Prosno]

Since Ford has been having allthese problems with the 6.0 and 6.4 I was wondering since dodge had the cummins have they ever had any crazy problems? just wondering cause I've never heard anything, maybe ford can learn something here.

[gslam88]

Bill,

Complete rumor mill about the new 6.7 Cummins.. but I heard they are having issues with the cam bearing... I would think John would have more insight..

as far as the 5.9 Cummins.. it has a much stronger reputation than a powersmoke .. or is it now a firesmoke we should call it??

The Dmax's issue was more that no one knew its reputation as its too young of a motor.. and the 6.5 had issues with the IP.. but IMO GM and Dodge has less motor issues by far then Ford's 6.X..

[T-Zab]

Since Ford has been having allthese problems with the 6.0 and 6.4 I was wondering since dodge had the cummins have they ever had any crazy problems? just wondering cause I've never heard anything, maybe ford can learn something here.


International doesnt have the issues Ford has, maybe they should start looking there.
The HP wars is what trashed the 6.0 from the get go. Tuff to compete with Cummins when the 5.9 in a Mercury Marine application (same motor as the trucks, except for the head) is rated at allmost 1000#s of torque. I wonder what a 6.0 would look like turned up to that level :rolleyes:
I hate to be the bearer of bad news Ford guys but were not comparing apples to apples here when comparing diesel motors.

Ford took an okay diesel motor and destroyed it to compete with others in marketing (HP wars, means nothing except on paper or tv). I dont think the
F250 PS is gonna be leading in sales any more (F150 just got kicked back behind GM's 1500 Silverado ). Maybe they should look at building something for the guys who really need a decent truck, in the F350-550 range. Not the Yuppy with Harley Edition Crew Cab, pulling his brand new Ski Doo's to the UP 3 times a year to go sledding. I mean what market share do the F250's PS's bring to the over all truck sales figures ? Is it that high, that Ford literally destroyed there diesel truck market to be number one on paper for HP and torque ?

You also have to consider the Cummins name here, and what that badge on a product means. A Cummins badge on a product is a big deal and you get the Cummins reputation, durability, and dependability behind that product. There research and time spent testing is second to none, there facilitys are second to none. There first class all the way, and the end product shows it.


My 2 cents :rolleyes:
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[Matthew Bowman]

They have had thier small issues, but nothing like the 6.0 liter. Even the old 7.3 that was much more reliable than the 6.0, had alot of troubles compared to the cummins. I had one, and then I bought my first cummins powered dodge, and i quickly saw the light. I now have 3 with 140k, 180k, & 175k and I would hop in any one and drive acrost the country and back, with no worries. I have noticed though, that each time they change the cummins, it seems to have a few more issues than the last generation did. Like I said, nowhere near the 6.0 liters level of troubles, but not quite as reliable as the last series.
While I have no first hand experience, I believe that the duramax is pretty good now as well. They had some issues in the begining, but have taken care of them and are much more reliable than the 6.0
So, the question is, why do you guys keep buying fords after the 6.0 liter troubles? If Dodge gave me those troubles, I'd be gone. I've met many Ford guys whos answer to thier 6.0 problems is to trade it in on another Ford. Why not try something else, and make ford produce a quality product to get you back.

[gslam88]

Matthew,

The why trade in for a another Ford.. simple..

There are some .. like myself. .that are just die hard fans of Ford, GM or Dodge.. its tough to trade out of something you have had or like for as long as you have been around..

Maybe as you get older.. you get more flexible.. but still a fan of that make..

It would be like trying to convince Johnny D to drive a gas truck for plowing.. oh wait.. he did do that .. ok bad example..

Ok.. it would be like trying to convince Mark O to not drag posts into the gutter... :grinz

[Prosno]

Pete! Sheesh you could screw up a wackshed! its like Mark driving a skidsteer on dry land

[gslam88]

Bill

Geez.. you talk about me screwing up..

I was talking about something that even in the extremes is possible..

The Rear Admiral driving on dry land. just won't happen


Now back to the topic :grinz

Matt

You have a point there..

I wonder if they are seeing the same problems on say the mustang as they try to reach peak HP numbers.. or other muscle cars..

GM having only the Vette, Cady left for muscle cars.. I dont know much about the Solstice, new GTO or G6

Dodge having a few..

I personally don't follow sports cars as much as I use to.. so I don't know if they are having the same issue with the cars

[Matthew Bowman]

I think it's much different with sports cars, because they are just for fun, so to speak. We are trying to make a living with these trucks, and when they go down it's a big problem.
I wonder how much the 6.0 liters are costing per year to keep running after the warrente is up. As many have said before, dealing with the stealer is very irritating to say the least, but how much will these cost to keep running when the dealer gives a bill? Scarry. I hate dealing with dealers, thats part of the reason I don't have any new trucks with warrentes. We can fix anything "in house" much faster than any dealer is gonna. And we usually get it right the first time. Funny thing is, I know many contractors with brand new trucks that are always having one go down in the middle of an event. I have never had one of my cummins go down in a storm (knock on wood). Just little things that can be left until the storm is over.

[chipsearthworks]

Okay I do not own a cummins motor,(still wishing just dont have the cash yet)still run my v-10 gas job into the ground(hay it is paid for so why the hell not) But i will state my experince with the motor. We got 4 new pierce rescue pumpers two year ago, in the begining there was problems with them losing power,while in responce mode, Cummins poured over these trucks like there was no tommarow,tested,checked,tested,check and so on, turned out to be a computer problem on the pierce side of things, but the work the motor guys did was unbelivable, they(cummins) even took one of the trucks, on there dime,and drove it out to the main company head quarters and went over the truck with a fine tooth comb, In the end they where even going to go as far as to replace the trucks if they could not figure out the problem,( pierce and them) So my opinion is they are very honest and stand behind there work.

Now as far as our 6.0 350 we just bought, problems up the arse, turbo,abs light keeps going on, just problems, the dealer addtiuded, " we can only do so much" I still to this day break all the ford lovers balls and state very planely," We Should Of Bought A Dodge"

This is my opinion and I stand behind it.

[Matthew Bowman]

I hear you on the cummins service, my brother was tech at cummins northeast in Albany - until they closed down the shop.
Unfortunatly - you will not get this type of service on your cummins powered dodge. Dodge does all the warrenty work, even with the cummins powerplant in thier trucks. I don't have much experience getting work done at the stealer, but the few times that I have, have not gone smooth. The techs just don't have a clue. It makes me not want to buy an new truck and deal with them for warrenty issues.
However, if I needed engine work done out of pocket and for whatever reason we were not doing it in house, I would go strait to cummins. They know how to treat thier customers.

[T-Zab]

Thinking about this whole mess Ford is in wouldnt you change strategy ?

HP wars, ignore em ???? :beatsme Why not Ford ?
Does Ford really sell that many trucks to guys who are swayed by marketing that touts the most HP in a "Diesel" truck ? Most guys I know buy diesel to save on fuel for "WORK" and longevity in the motor. Not who the frig can win racing from stop light to the trans shop (sorry lol).

You have had the best selling truck line for many years, 1/2 ton and the super poopers.
The Supers are/were the most lucrative line of vehicle Ford sold. Wouldnt you protect that at all costs ? Even if it ment the guy shoping at Macy's for his underwear wont be happy ?
I think the whole HP war is a joke myself. Do independent truckers hang out at the water cooler and brag about how there new motor can beat up your new motor ? Probally not ( I did say independents for a reason, they need to make money at this, dead trucks dont make money) might be more along the lines of who went 500,000 miles before an overhaul. Better yet 1000000 miles before a rebuild.

I would have thought with Fords diehard owners buying truck after truck they would have stayed focused and knew when to bow out of the HP game. Wouldnt you rather sell a couple less trucks and keep your customers you have now happy ? The Yuppy is gonna buy what ever suits there fancy, when it is in style. Diesel trucks are not exactly cool anymore with the price of diesel, and the new wave of green and tree huggers.

Bullet proof baby, thats were its at in the diesel world.
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