stay away from the new diesel

[Western22288]

if u havent heard the government have made it so they are starting to switch deisel fuels to a low sulfer cleaner version. i made the mistake of filling up with the crap the other day and my truck hasent been right since. i dont know whats in it but it made my truck run like crap had almost no power. i hope that we can still have the option of using the old diesel as this new stuff that doesnt work right in the old diesel engines. i am gonna fill up with the regualr deisel today and hope that it fixes my truck if not i am gonna figure out whats wrong and go after the shell station i got it from.:headwall

[crashz]

Make sure your fuel filters are fresh and run a good additive with lubricant like Power Service. Some older diesels with rotary pumps (not yours Francis) will probably end up grenading either way on this stuff. Most older rotary and piston type injection pumps rely on the fuel being a good lubricant. They will suffer the most.

[EZSnow]

You will not find "old" diesel anymore. The fuel is supposed to be backward-compatible, but it does have reduced lubricity. My 2003 7.3 runs fine on it, with or without power service, but I try to remember to add it- just in case.

You're making a knee-jerk judgement of the ULSD. True, I'd rather not have the government telling me what I have to burn in my truck, but it's here to stay, and there's nothing you can do about it.

However, it's not entirely impossible that you got bad fuel. Bad diesel has been around alot longer than ULSD. Make sure you buy diesel from a station that goes through a large volume of diesel on a regular basis. Look for places that lots of semis fill up at. The station I prefer to buy my diesel from goes through three transports of diesel EVERY DAY! At that rate, there's no sediment, no water and no algae collecting in the fuel, and it's always treated for the current weather conditions/forecast. Heck- it's probably still warm from refining when I pump it into my truck!

Change your filter and see what happens. Keep a spare on in the truck- right next to you spare CPS.

[Crash935]

Got news for you, youve been on ULSD for a few months now.

Its more than likely a fuel filter issue.

EZ made a good point but on another note on high volume stations, the temp of the fuel will change your milage and performance. Hot fuel (more in the sumer) will hurt you so the high volume places are not always the best.

[Earthscapes]

I know i've been on it since Oct 25th, when my last fuel load got delivered. I haven't noticed anything funny and actually the milage has stayed the same.
The only did I do notice is that the smell is not as strong.

[apgarconstruction]

not all stations have the ULSD yet. some smaller stations around me still have the old stuff, and was told by the owners they don't have to switch over yet, the govt moved the date back, but not sure what it is. I know they can't mix the two together supposedly in their storage tanks because it will contaminate the normal LSD fuel. they have to almost get the tank down to nothing, then switch and never go back to the old.

i have run on it with both my new truck and the old truck and they run fine. i put in power service or howes a few times a month, each tankful in the cold.

[LarryRB]

I know i've been on it since Oct 25th, when my last fuel load got delivered. I haven't noticed anything funny and actually the milage has stayed the same.The only did I do notice is that the smell is not as strong.

Ma/CT has been on this a while also. I agree, the smell is much less than before,.., I use Howes lubricant every third fill up and can't tell the difference between ultra low and the old fuel.

[bryan]

I have no issues running it. I use additives like before and haven't seen a difference at all in milage.

[BWhite]

ULSD Is known to cause leaks in the Cummins lift pump gaskets .

[John Banks]

ULSD Is known to cause leaks in the Cummins lift pump gaskets .


Bill, is that across the board with all Cummins, or certain years affected?

[bryan]

If I am correct, that is with the older LP that are by the fuel filter.

[RedneckPlowGuy]

when my area switches over i will be adding 2 stroke oil to my fuel, about a quart for every tank full

may find this link very good for all us diesel guys
http://www.frontiernet.net/~mopar1973man/2_cycle_oil.htm

[apgarconstruction]

ULSD may have lower sulfur but the companies producing it have been mandated to add lubricants and additives to the fuel prior to it ever getting to our tanks. while power service is good to use, it might just be redundant to use it on every single tankful, or any other lubricant or additive you can think of.

this subject has been beaten to death over at the FTE ford forum.
the government has a lot of regulations and they know what would happen if every single diesel motor that is currently running, stops running because they took the lubrication out of the fuel, so that's why it's being added now when it's refined. you can read this on any of the big oil companies technical info on their websites, as well as the FAQ area.

[Satz28]

ULSD may have lower sulfur but the companies producing it have been mandated to add lubricants and additives to the fuel prior to it ever getting to our tanks.

http://www.greendieseltechnology.com/qa_ulsf.asp

Here is a link to International's on ULSD.

[Joey D]

I have been getting the same milage and power out of the ULSD as the old stuff, and I check every tank, 1 or 2 a week. Maybe smells a little different but nothing bad. I use Stanadyn or Synergyn every time I fill up.

[Tree Killer]

All this emissions crap is just adding to the cost of everything, For example last year I bought a new Western Star with a C-15 @ 475 HP 4.10 ratio MPG is 5.0 My old truck same chasis with a 4.30 ratio a C-15 @ 550 HP
MPG 5.8. Engines may run cleaner but they all use more fuel,and the fuel cost more. The price of a new Class 8 in 2007 will go up at least 10,000 bucks. They new trucks have more emissions junk on them. adding weight =less payload = more trips=more fuel used=shooting ourselves in the foot.:headwall

[Goat Farmer]

I have used it for 6 weeks now and I don't feel or see any differece on my 06 F350 6.leaker....

[Crash935]

Since i probably use more fuel than most of you, the biggest thing ive found so far is that the ulsd seams to be cleaning out the inside of my tanks and fuel lines. Have had to change the fuel filter about every 10,000 miles (which is monthly for me) for the last couple of months. Havent really noticed any change in fuel milage but then again i had the truck in the shop having the top end redone about a month ago so im still trying to get that felt out.


Think the article i just read said that 85% of the stations are on the ULSD now. The biggest recommendation is making sure that you use oil recommended for diesel engines on ULSD, think the new number CJ4.

[mopar1973man]

when my area switches over i will be adding 2 stroke oil to my fuel, about a quart for every tank full

may find this link very good for all us diesel guys
http://www.frontiernet.net/~mopar1973man/2_cycle_oil.htm

Ok. Gang... The author of his site has come to give you info of what I know.

So far I've been using 2 cycle oil for over 20K miles and the truck is much quietier, slight increase in MPG, and all my fuel system is lubricated.

I'm also finding that the fuel additive on the market are not lubricants at all. They are mostly solvents. Us guys with VP44 injection pump already know the fuel system is weak on a stock Dodge Cummins and needs help. So to protect the expensive pump ($1,500) I started adding 2 cycle oil. It just that oil. It also will improve the pour point of diesel fuel too! ULSD has a pour point of 0*F and 2 cycle oil has a pour point of -40*F so it would work as a anti-gel additive too... To prove this I'm running straight 2 cycle oil this winter (no additives) and so far no problem down to -20*F. :D

I'm will to answer any question regarding 2 cycle oil...:D

[John DiMartino]

The last tank i put in the CTD was ULSD,I have been avoiding it by going to certain stations,until this week,i finally gave in and got about 20 gallons of it.I noticed nothing other than the Coal Furnace Dodge now smokes with a greyish tint,before it was black as coal.

[Earthscapes]

So are you renaming it the "Grayish Tint Dodge" ??? lol

I see the same results with the 06', went from black to grey. Now the 02' has never smoked ??

[wyldman]

The last tank i put in the CTD was ULSD,I have been avoiding it by going to certain stations,until this week,i finally gave in and got about 20 gallons of it.I noticed nothing other than the Coal Furnace Dodge now smokes with a greyish tint,before it was black as coal.

Just add more fuel,your way underfueled anyways. ;)

Or just put a REAL pump on it. :D

[John DiMartino]

Just add more fuel,your way underfueled anyways. ;)

Or just put a REAL pump on it. :D

LOL, I got more fuel than you,until you bolt on the race pump......:p .

Fred named the Dodge,I think CFD is still perfect.

[mopar1973man]

I got a huge thread over at cumminsforum.com about the use of 2 cycle oil. So far it works awesome as a anti-gel product...
http://www.cumminsforum.com/forum/showthread.php?t=4054

http://i143.photobucket.com/albums/r123/mopar1973man/DSCF1395.jpg

Its is my MIN History temp for New Meadows, Idaho on Jan. 16, 2007. I use NO anti-gel additive.

As for Engine noises. It will reduce the injector knock a bit.

Just add more fuel,your way underfueled anyways.

Or just put a REAL pump on it.

Oh really...:eek: Get a Edge Comp and trun it up to 5x5 and unplug the MAP sensor and look out. It smokes so bad that I can stain the snow black...:D

[nickPSD]

Do you know of anybody who has been running the 2 cycle oil in there 6.0 powerstrokes? I have read all of the 38 pages and have yet to read a bad report about it.

[John DiMartino]

Ive been running2 cycle,waste oil and any clean oil here and there in my diesels for yrs.Maybe look on Navistars site for the highest percentage of oil.In a Cummins you can run 5% oil in the fuel with no warranty issues.with my 34 gallon tank,that works out to a littrle over a gallon and a 1/2.Ive dumped a gallon of waste oil in,and noticed no change at all,and it gets rid of the oil,lubes the pump.My brother used to drive a OTR KW with a 3406 cat,they dumped 11 gallons from the oil change right in the saddle tank at every service,and it just smoked a little for that tank,then all was good.

[nickPSD]

None of the navistar sites, make any mention to the amount of oil that is safe to run. They just re did there website now, and I cant even find any info about the amount of bio diesel to run. Im kinda scared to try it until I can get a number from somebody

[EZSnow]

Nick- you sig doesn't say what kind of PSD you've got, but BDB and I run our 7.3s on homebrew in the summer without any trouble. Ford doesn't recommend more than 5% bio, but the 7.3 seems to lend itself well to bio. As far as waste motor oil (WMO) it doesn't make much sense to me to take the stuff that could damage my engine if left unchanged, then introduce it to the fuel system... There's some nasty stuff in WMO, isn't there? 7.3 injectors are too expensive for mee to try WMO.

[bryan]

Nick,
You might want to try posting that question over at thedieselstop.com.

[nickPSD]

Yeah, been thinking about doing that, but knowing that ford watches that sight pretty close, has had me kinda scared to :scramble I have a 2005 F350 with the 6.0 diesel. I plan on talking to my mechanic friend, that works on the powerstroke all the time, and getting his opinion on it.

Posted it on the dieselstop.com, have to see what other guys say

[nickPSD]

Well, just put my flame suit on at thedieselstop.com, have to wait and see what happens......:popcorn2