Price

[Waterchikn]

Does anyone know what the price (range) is for an 810 installed.
Any what are the chances of finding one in my area, southeast michigan. Would it be worth installing it myself?
Thanx

[Crimedog]

Out here, it was 4800 installed. 4500 if you do it yourself, it isn't hard at all. Go to www.blizzardplows.com and do a dealer inquiry. You should be able to find one, there are lots of dealers in Michigan.

[parks911]

This is what I've got.

Blizzard sent me a flyer with all their prices on it after I had contacted then inquiring about a new blizzard.


680LT straight blade installed for $2295.00
700LT & 760LT straight Blades $2395.00 installed
760 & 800 straight blades $2495.00 installed
810 power plow $3595.00 installed
8611 powerplow $4295.00 installed


These are current retail prices according to blizzard & I just got this a week or 2 ago.

[parks911]

Crimedog,

How long have you had that blizzard?

I have personally called the blizzard dealer in Grand Rapids, MN & Detroit Lakes, MN (closest dealers to me) and was told the same price of $3595.00 installed for the 810.

Maybe I should send this flyer to you & perhaps you can get some of your money back.

[Crimedog]

omg :eek: :mad: :rolleyes: I hope you're kidding:headwall We got it a few months ago, from a dealer in Minneapolis. I wonder why that price is the way it is? Before, people were posting prices around mine, but that's darn near 1000 dollars difference! Maybe they're so cheap right now because you can't find them anywhere (none at the factory). Ugh:rolleyes:

[parks911]

It could also be cheap because they figure the season has already started and they are trying to get rid of inventory, but the dealer in Detroit Lakes told me that it would take about a week to get it in.

I was rather surprised about their prices though, they had everyone beat by far. They even beat Western by $1400.00.

[Snowtime]

Parks 911

those prices are incorrect


680 $ 2,895.00

700lt 2,995.00

760lt 2,995.00

800 3,095.00

810 4,395.00

810ss 4,095.00

8611 4,995.00

8611ss 4,495.00

prices are not intstalled thats retail prices

[Waterchikn]

Just got back from the dealer. They have 1 new plow left (810) and they said $4490 for the install. They said the install would take at least one day. Thats a long time I think. Oh well.

[Pelican]

That sounds like a fair price, and the install time is not out of line either for one man. I wouldn't think about it too long if you want one, they won't be available again until Spring.

[4evergreenlawns]

Snowtime,

Are you saying that if I have the price sheet from Blizzard in the promo packet they sent me that those are the incorrect prices???? How can that be???

Once again something does not seems right with the GREATNESS of Blizzard. I continue to read about people raving about this plow. Even Pelican stated the newest plow he has he pick up with "all the upgrades and than some". Why does it need upgrades??

When I buy a Western plow it is what it is. I can understand a difference in price between a elec/hyd v. a full hyd. but why produce soemthing as simple as a plow and then tack on upgrade. This is not a car, truck, boat, or even a house that is being offered to such a diverse market that is should require upgrades and more.

The more I hear about buying one of this plows and the availability I am starting to see a trend. Several post about this dealer has two 810 left, or that dealer has 1 8611 left get them while you can. But than I see guys saying there dealer said it will take a week to get one in. WHY???? Either the plows have already been shiped to the dealer for the season or they have not. :rolleyes:

One question that leaves me wondering about this product is.... If there is a limited supply of these plows due to the manifold production, how do I know there is availability of parts? Are replacement parts also only manfactured in set quantites? If so how does Blizzard foecast the failure rate of the pasts??

Again, let me CLEARLY state that I do like the applications for the Blizzard plows and I am seriously considering the purchase of two if not three of them (2-810 & 1 -8611). However, as I watch what people are saying about Blizzard as a company is starting to look alot like an actual BLIZZARD of misinformation or a very carefully thoughout out marking plan or both tactfully being deployed at that same time. As I watch this two other companies come to mind ENRON and WORLDCOM.

Pelican, I know you are going to tell me to call and talk to Jerre directly, but is that the only way to get creditable information from a national product line?

Anyone looking to invest, and that what you are actually doing when you acquire equipment for a business, and not just going out and puting a plow on the ole' pickem up truck, should be considing ALL of what is being said not just the things that make them feel good about the choice they have made or are going to make.

I readily admitt that maybe I did not do all my homework when looking at the MVP but I sure do remember reading hours upon hours of threads about how GREAT this V plow was only to now find people saying V's are not so great.

[parks911]

Originally posted by Snowtime
Parks 911

those prices are incorrect


680 $ 2,895.00

700lt 2,995.00

760lt 2,995.00

800 3,095.00

810 4,395.00

810ss 4,095.00

8611 4,995.00

8611ss 4,495.00

prices are not intstalled thats retail prices

The price list that I have from Blizzard (and I just got it a couple weeks ago for inquiring about info) states the retail prices that I posted & I had called 2 dealers close to me & had the cost of a 810 verified & matched.

Right across the top of that flyer it also says free intallation.

I also have the same information from BOSS & Western, but their prices are much higher & no mention of installation costs.

Perhaps dealers in your area are marking things up thinking that you don't know where to go and get informed! I'm not going to get myself ripped off because of my preference or stupidity not to shop around and get the information that I may need.

[4evergreenlawns]

Parks911,

Almost make you wonder why you are getting your information that is verified and others are getting higher prices. Maybe it has something to due with the LIMITED supply.

I called a local dealer while watching this thread, these is what I got.

installed not including tax:

810 $4395.00 and has one left.

8611 $5020.00 has none will not have more till spring.

Funny how he also started out saying he could get a 8611 in two weeks but had installed several 810's. Than the stroy changed. Reguardless funny how the installed price I got was exactly the same as the not installed price Snowtime listed.

Seems like maybe a little price fixing going on at the dealer level. I bet if you walked into the dealer with the price sheet listing the 810 for 3600.00 with free install, they would not be able to get you a 810 until the year 2010, in the spring of course.
:shades seems shady.

[parks911]

I went ahead and scanned that flyer and posted a link to it. Perhaps there is a little price gouging going on thinking that the consumer (you & I) would take it with out a I love you or Ky Jelly.

http://www.geocities.com/parks911/images/blizzard.JPG

[parks911]

There are no dates that state a beginning or ending of a sale or promotion.

[snowplowjay]

Must be a first time special pricing offer.



It may also be applicable to certain regions of the dealer network.



Jay

[Crimedog]

The part that says order your Blizzard plow today and save, maybe this means order one for next spring and save? It makes sense, because thay way they have definite orders placed, and they can better estimate the number of plows to make, and not worry about dealers taking a hit on them? Almost like pre pay...
Just a thought

[Pelican]

Wow!!!!

Talk about being cynical!!!

Blizzard I believe is in their 5th season. A new company to the snow industry by any measure. I can't believe someone would belittle a manufacturer for improving their product as they obtain data from field use and feedback from customers.

I paid $4200 for my 810 2 years ago, I installed it myself. The offer listed in your flyer seems like a great deal, yet your unhappy? (By the way, your link doesn't work)

IF YOU DON"T LIKE THE BLIZZARD, DON"T BUY THE FREEKIN' THING!

Next time I find a product that increases my work production, I'll keep it to myself!!!

[snowplowjay]

Originally posted by Pelican
Wow!!!!

IF YOU DON"T LIKE THE BLIZZARD, DON"T BUY THE FREEKIN' THING!

Next time I find a product that increases my work production, I'll keep it to myself!!!


Well Put Pelican................Its as simple as that :)


Jay

[4evergreenlawns]

Pelican,

I thought you said you like open discussions and good debates that get people thinking and talking?

No reason to take this personal. Just because you have had good results from this product does not mean it WILL and MUST be the right plow for everyone. I am sure that you are reporting the performance of this product as you have experienced it first hand. Just as you would be reporting if the product was not performing as you expected.

I have watched as Blizzard owners seem to attack like a swarm of killer bees when evey ANYONE offers up ANY information not favoring this product. The thread from Urethane Dino comes to mind, just read it. There was another thread where Ratlover questioned the trip action while in a scoop position and that too was pounced on. Seemed like he had a good question.

I have even gone as far as calling Canada just to talking to a real person about how great this plow is when compared to other plows that person it actaully using in service in quanity for several years.

"I can't believe someone would belittle a manufacturer for improving their product as they obtain data from field use and feedback from customers."

Two things here stick out, 1st, a product line should be throughly tested reducing the need for the manfacture to continue to improve the product AFTER it has already been placed into production. The customer should not be the testing platform. 2nd, gathering all the data, (good and bad) and discussing it in an open public forum is not an attempt to belittle but an attempt to quantify what issue are systemic and which are isolated.

I do recall early posts when you 1st put your dump truck into service about the heavy duty plow you put on that truck and how great is was while you posted picture after picture (on the other site). Now that you have your money behind a new product it seem like you refuse to accept any feedback that differs from yours.

Why has not one person talked about the Blizzard plow that failed after only 30mins of operation, and even after the dealer replaced the plow the same day, the replacement plow failed just a few hours later? Or does this fall under the we should not say ANYTHING bad about sponsors act.

Keep in mind my interests here are only supported by wanting to be sure spending $15,000.00 will be in a way that is fiscally responsible for my company. Anything different would would just be plan stupid.

[Lamar]

Yesterday our neighbor started his process to sign on as a new Blizzard dealer. I think he said the 810 model is 4400 or so nad I don't remember what the 8611 will be. He was also told as he signs on, it is for next season 04/05. There is nothing available for him to start now.

[snowplowjay]

Originally posted by 4evergreenlawns


Two things here stick out, 1st, a product line should be throughly tested reducing the need for the manfacture to continue to improve the product AFTER it has already been placed into production. The customer should not be the testing platform. 2nd, gathering all the data, (good and bad) and discussing it in an open public forum is not an attempt to belittle but an attempt to quantify what issue are systemic and which are isolated.




Its not a customer testing platform in my opinion its something called FIELD RESEARCH AND DEVELOPMENT. The only way to make a product better is to imporve it through the years.


Why has not one person talked about the Blizzard plow that failed after only 30mins of operation, and even after the dealer replaced the plow the same day, the replacement plow failed just a few hours later? Or does this fall under the we should not say ANYTHING bad about sponsors act.

Plows fail all the time. That shouldnt be such a big deal. What about the X blade that ripped its skin right off or the Ez V in which the blade creased in a million different places popping welds or the more than numerous Meyer pumps that S*** the bed in the heat of a storm. Failing equipment is a sad but large truth to an industry where equipment takes a large beating. NO company or person is perfect. Mistakes are made and the key is not so much the mistake BUT how the company/Dealer handles your issue. I know that from experience if any of the Blizzards we run was to crap out during the heat of a storm or at any time before a storm our local dealer would come right out to us. There arent too many dealers that would dedicate themselves like that for too many companies.


Jay

[4evergreenlawns]

All true Jay.

However, I am just looking at Blizzard right now. Based on the failure rates that have been posted on other product that have been in service for years and years I would never own any of them without naming any.

FIELD RESEARCH AND DEVELOPMENT very very good point. However again, this should fall on the shoulders of the manufacture before the product is placed into service.

When I asked the local dealer I called about three blizzard plows he clearly stated without mixing any words that once I buy it servicing is my problem. They will serivce the plow ONLY in their shop which is 1 hour away in good weather. He was even laughing when I asked if they had any way of servicing this plow in the field.

When I asked about parts on hand for this plow, he told me "the plow has not been in the field long enough" for them to know what parts to stock.

Jay, do you really think that because you get to talk to the CEO of a company when you call a 800 number is the true measure of serviceablity of that CORPORATION? I DO NOT want to have to call the CEO every time I need my plow fixed. Heck, I do not want to have to get my plow fixed at all.

In the service industry I would support that to no end, but in a product manfacturing company I am not sure. Shouldn't the CEO be working with the designer to be sure product failures have been resolved and do not become reoccuring requiring yearly updates and/or upgrade. Any downtime during the snow season is lost revnue no matter what spin you put on it.

I think several people are totaly taking what I am posting the wrong way. I WANT TO BE A BLIZZARD PLOW OWNER. BUT how do I put three plows into service and hope the product which had undergone several resigned (three manifold designs in as many years) in just its few years of serivce without having second thoughts???

I truely value the information provided here. Otherwise I would not even be talking about this in such detail.

Thank you Pelican, Jay and all the blizzard plow owner who have been sharing their experiences.

[Waterchikn]

Talking with the dealer around my area, it seems that now since they are getting the parts available, people are looking at the plow more.
Seems you could make a decision based on
What you need
Where you can get it
Where you can get parts for it
Dealer support. which is probably the biggest one.

Now that we have a dealer around my area, I am sure I will see alot more Blizzard plows. As far as Field Testing. They did field test this plow before putting it to market. But there are so many different variables that it would be impossible to "create" every situaiton. Car manufacturers do the same thing. DId you ever buy a first year model that has just been changed. I did once, and that was a nightmare. Now I wouldn't consider gettin any thing that hasn'tbeen on the market for at least 2 years.
Blizzard plows being one.

[Pelican]

I thought you said you like open discussions and good debates that get people thinking and talking?

When these debates are based on facts and not hypotheticals or speculation, by all means. I don't put much faith in claims that aren't supported by facts, I've been fooled too many times by people with an agenda. No more.
Just because you have had good results from this product does not mean it WILL and MUST be the right plow for everyone.
Where have I ever said this? In fact, you will find I stated just the opposite in one post, each prospective buyer must weigh the pro's and con's and make their own decision. I didn't equip the truck you refer to with a Blizzard 8611 because that truck is on an hourly hire and the increased production of the 8611 would hurt my income.
Now that you have your money behind a new product it seem like you refuse to accept any feedback that differs from yours.
Provide me with your experiences with the Blizzard and I'll consider them.
Why has not one person talked about the Blizzard plow that failed after only 30mins of operation, and even after the dealer replaced the plow the same day, the replacement plow failed just a few hours later? Or does this fall under the we should not say ANYTHING bad about sponsors act.
Do you know something we don't? Bring this Blizzard owner to the table, I'd like to hear about his problem. There are two sponsors of this site, JC Whitney and Northern Hydraulics. There is no censorship here regarding equipment reports, but slamming products is not permitted.

You also mentioned the Blizzard dealer would not come out and make field repairs. If you have a dealer where you are that will, by all means, buy his plow. There's no dealer in my area regardless of brand that will do such a thing. Also, if the dealer you are working with does not meet your expectations, report this to Blizzard Corporation, I'm sure they'd either want to take corrective measures or perhaps find another dealer to carry their line.

I don't know how long you've been in the snow removal business, I've been at it for 25 years commercially. In this time I've seen every plow manufacturer improve their products. Meyer has brought out a commercial duty line. Western has the ProPlow and its subsequent variations. When Boss first brought out their V plow, there were a lot of problems with it which they addressed. Fisher is often chastised for buckling of their wings and I'm sure is working on a method to correct it. Now they've brought out the X blade, an improvement over their prior offering.

If a manufacturer doesn't constantly improve their product, their competition will run them over. You will find that in your business as well, if you don't constantly look for ways to improve your service, your competition will and you will find yourself with much more time on your hands.

I have done nothing in any of my posts but report my experiences with my equipment so that others may consider it when making business decisions. I'm fairly certain that I've developed enough integrity with the membership here that my posts can be considered the truth. I have nothing to gain by posting otherwise.

[parks911]

Originally posted by Pelican
Wow!!!!

Talk about being cynical!!!

Blizzard I believe is in their 5th season. A new company to the snow industry by any measure. I can't believe someone would belittle a manufacturer for improving their product as they obtain data from field use and feedback from customers.

I paid $4200 for my 810 2 years ago, I installed it myself. The offer listed in your flyer seems like a great deal, yet your unhappy? (By the way, your link doesn't work)

IF YOU DON"T LIKE THE BLIZZARD, DON"T BUY THE FREEKIN' THING!

Next time I find a product that increases my work production, I'll keep it to myself!!!


I wasn't being cynical or unhappy.
Truth be known is that I don't have a plow. I came here looking for information about plows before I purchased one. I am still going to purchase a Blizzard once my truck is put back together.

The original post on this board was asking for price ranges & I replied with the information that I had & was verified by 2 dealers close to me. Perhaps I should call them back & question then about possible hidden costs that are not revieled.

Now I believe I must have started this debate by asking crimedog how long he has had his blizzard because of the pirce difference. Personally I beleive $1000.00 difference in a 200 mile range is rediculous. Maybe it is because I in the Northern boondocks of MN and they are harder to sell up here then they are in the metro area, I don't know.

I know the link didn't work, that is why I posted the picture image.

[Pelican]

Parks, did your flyer come directly from Blizzard or from a Blizzard dealer? I would be more concerned that the 810 offered would be one of the older models styles, or a leftover at that low price. There's a Blizzard 810 listed on ebay for $3200, but it is on of the earlier models. Be wary, the term "you get what you pay for" often comes into play.

In this thread (http://www.snowplowing-contractors.com/forums/showthread.php?s=&threadid=1072) I listed how you can tell which version you're looking at.

[Fastjohnny]

I have a first generation blizzard 810. I bought it 2 years ago, and prior to install, I completed all the structural upgrades the second generation introduced.

I have had absolutely no problems, save a cracked cutting edge, due to my hitting a manhole cover rather hard.

Now the third generation, with super increased serviceability is making me drool.

I know eventually things like hoses will need servicing, and the new design accounts for this.

For those considering a Blizzard, I say go for it, if you are dissatisfied, I'd be interested in taking it off your hands for ya, hows that for a guarantee?

[parks911]

Originally posted by Pelican
Parks, did your flyer come directly from Blizzard or from a Blizzard dealer?

I would say that it came from the company in MI. I had requested info from blizzard (http://www.blizzardplows.com/info.html) and less then a week later I had several brochures, CD's, & flyers arrive in the mail from them.

[4evergreenlawns]

Pelican,

I never slammed the product just stated my view of what I have been reading and how I have seen responses to unfavorable post about blizzard plows.

As a blizzard owner if you are comfortable with what you have seen on this thread about the topic "PRICE" than so be it.

I look forward to seeing more threads about this product as the plow becomes better known and more widely used in the field.

You have made your position very clear. Therefore, enough said from me about this topic.

Once again a thanks to anyone offering information as they know it.

[PineIsland]

In the last two years, I have probably been the one who has posted the most "negative" things, including pics, of the Blizzards. Never have I bashed them, simply pointed out issues we were having ( on a subs truck, not our own). I always said I was impressed with all the help that came from a good dealer , and straight from the company itself.

I feel the product has come a long way, has proven itself to us, and now we own two of the 810's ourselves. After two runs with them, I am very happy with my conversion from my Boss 9'2 V.

I will let you know for sure if those feelings change as things progress, but I do appreciate Pelican for helping convince me to look seriously at these the last couple years, among others on this site....

[mikegamb]

Pelican

chill out my friend don't you wanna last another 25 years plowing?? im gonna have to close this post up lol J/K


let me help out here alittle

in my biz i get alot of these fliers for mowers,skid steers,ford and chevy trucks,trailers,plows and sanders just to name a few.

now on 90% of them they give out prices.

like the exmark lazer i picked up this spring.it said 27 hp koler 60 inch deck stripe kit or mulching kit 8999.99 save 1500 if ordered with a ultra vac.well 3 dealers had it for the base price but my main dealer had it for 8500.99

just like western (DIE HARD WESTERN GUY HERE)

7 1/2 pro plow 2799.99 in there little flier.well i got it for 2680.99.most dealers i called had it for 2899.99 and 2750.99


now yes i love westerns and yes this time last year i was saying how blizzard needs to step things up a bit with them holding up.

well just seeing all the changes they made for 2003 has changed my mind big time about them.the dealer in my area from what i hear and saw is awsome.my next plow will be a blizzard.

now is it going to last all year with no break downs.maybe if i treat it right but things break.

my father rebuilds electric motors up in wallingford and builds production equipment.do those things break down? you bet.my father built two machines and the day after he installed them at the site they both craped out.there was breakers in the system that failed.one of them the motor cooked itself for no reason and melted the power wires back to the control box and melted everything inside the box.

things break down my friend.one of my new mowers just SH@! the bed and its only 2 years old with 200 hours on it at the most.




Pelican

your a good guy here.i don't think anyone wants you to have a heart attack over this :argue

unless someone wants to take your place as a moderator:D

[Lawngodfather]

Plow + light connector + S&H (for less than 10 plows)

No way anyone could make a dime on those plows and install them if they were in fact retail prices.

Well over a year later I got info in the mail about them. This is the 3rd packet I have received.