810 broken first time out

[Landgreen]

Wing won't go back in. While I was plowing, I tagged a curb while the driver's side wing was in the scoop postion. When I went to fold it in, it stuck. It will move back to the scoop position but will not slide back in because it is hyper-extended. I took it to my dealer and they told me it was my fault for hitting the curb and charged me $110 to slide it back in. I disagreed and felt that the plow should be able to handle a shot from a curb once in a while and that Blizzard should warranty the work. Well, the next day it did the same thing. I folded the wing out and it hyper-extended again! I took it back to the dealer and they called Blizzard. Blizzard claims that the pins in the wing were not machined to the correct length and they are sending new ones which are longer. The dealer is refunding my $110 and is waiting for parts. This should have been done last week. I'm not happy with my dealer and not happy with Blizzard. We're getting a storm tomorrow and the plow is still sitting in their shop. Where's the Pepto?

Anybody heard of a problem with these stupid pins not being the right length?

[Pelican]

The plow will still function as a 9' straight plow if you leave the troubled wing alone. It shouldn't be too hard for the dealer to disable that function and allow you to use the plow for your upcoming storm.

I've never heard of this problem before and would be suspicious of these pins. Are they a different length than those on the other side? Keep us posted on this, I'll be curious to hear if this turns out to be the problem. Jerre can probably give us better insight to whether or not this has happened before.

I hit a rock hidden in a windrow and frozen to the ground last season with the wing and buckled it. The swelled metal wouldn't allow the wing to retract, but I was able to continue plowing and finish my route until the new wing came available. These plows are pretty resilient; it takes a pretty good shot to put them out of service all together.

[Plow Babe]

I have to say that I have given my 8-10 a ton of abuse. Always hitting the wings on things. Third season, and no problems. I have thought a bunch of times - oh shoot - there goes my wing!!! but it is always fine. So this sounds like something out of the ordinary on yours.

On the topic of dealer support - we have none. I finally gave up trying to wrok with the so-called dealers in this state, and just got ahold of Jerre Heyer. Sure he's halfway across the country - but that's what UPS is for, right?:) Any welding, etc, Steve does himself anyway.

[urethane dino]

Shoot you could even run that troubled wing out 3/4's of the way and still not have an issue. As long as you dont use the bucket position it will get you through till its fixed.
My friend Joe had his right wing get jammed today. Seems he tagged a curb in the bucket position, when it snapped back to the straight position, the end of the wing got caught on the end of the plow. 2 minutes with a small pry bar and it was fine.
On my plow the wing has at least an inch to 1.25" of over lap. His only has about 1/2" on that right wing, with it fully extended I could very easily push the outside of the wing and just about get it to slide behind the main plow. So with the weight of a truck behind it, it could get jammed very easy.
Maybe that it what is happening with yours. I dont know the fix yet, but I am sure Jerre will get back to Joe and go over any details. Anyway even with that happening, he was still able to plow.
Dino

[ice scream]

Shoot you could even run that troubled wing out 3/4's of the way and still not have an issue. As long as you dont use the bucket position it will get you through till its fixed.
My friend Joe had his right wing get jammed today. Seems he tagged a curb in the bucket position, when it snapped back to the straight position, the end of the wing got caught on the end of the plow. 2 minutes with a small pry bar and it was fine.
On my plow the wing has at least an inch to 1.25" of over lap. His only has about 1/2" on that right wing, with it fully extended I could very easily push the outside of the wing and just about get it to slide behind the main plow. So with the weight of a truck behind it, it could get jammed very easy.
Maybe that it what is happening with yours. I dont know the fix yet, but I am sure Jerre will get back to Joe and go over any details. Anyway even with that happening, he was still able to plow.
Dino
Does it have the overlap through the whole extention? Mine has about a 1 1/2" gap between the wing and blade at full extention. My dealer did not see a problem with this, I pointed out the wing has no support if it is not overlapped.:beatsme

[apgarconstruction]

even though i don't own a blizzard yet, i 've always wondered what happens to a wing if you wack a curb. i don't think i'll have a problem, because i really don't plow going that fast. sometimes you just can't avoid it though.
have any of you guys with U edges, extended the wings u edge a few inches, so it rubs the curb way before the wing does?

[urethane dino]

The polar wing edges have a good 2.5" of overhang built in. I think that running the u wing edges help, but the Joe had them on. The gap from face of main plow to back of wing isnt to critical IMO. Its the overlap from the end of main moldboard to where it meets wing when fully extented. I dont know if there is an adjustment to keep that wing from overextending or not?
Dino

[wyldman]

Wing extension is controlled by the slide box stop pins on the back of the moldboard.The only way the wing could over extend is if those pins are too short or worn off.It was mentioned above that incorrectly machined pins may be a problem,yet I have not seen it yet.Pin length should be 4 3/4 inches,maybe you could check yours and see ?


The other thing than could cause it is a busted wing pivot pin.

[ice scream]

The wing extention varies, believe it or not. Today it worked right unless the wing pushes back and then its over extended, mold board to wing has a gap. Then it gets all jambed up. Its only 1 1/2 week old.

[4evergreenlawns]

Since there has been all this talk about wings I took a few pics of one of my 810's plowed all last season. When looking closely I noticed a few things. First set of pics show one wing has gap other wings has a good 1" over lap. Take a look

[4evergreenlawns]

The wing with the gap shown the following damage/ware.

[4evergreenlawns]

Took a big hammer to it and last pics.

[ice scream]

Mine is definately over extended, I finally recieved a call from Blizzard. They have not responded since I told them and email my pictues.
1.Left wing bent
2.Right wing bent
3.Right wing pushes back with very little effort
4.Wings overextend
5.Wings freeze up with any snow over 3"
6. Lights Loose
7.Plug pulls apart ang ripped off one plug cover from snow build up
8. Dealer knows very little about plows
9.Left wing will not retract if in scoop position


Junk,junk,junk...

[Pelican]

Yours seems to be an isolated case. Sorry to hear of your troubles!

You said you've sent pictures to Blizzard, why not post them here for all to see?

[PROCUT1]

If youre going to be in the snow business or anything other business that uses equipment, things are going to break.....

Were constantly repairing, banging, welding something no matter what brand it is....

Just like trucks......for example......Pelican is turned off by fords now.....I swear by them......

I have had very little issues with any of my fords and pelican has had a boatload of problems with his...

We're only a couple towns away, do the same work, and use the same types of vehicles and deal with the same dealers......

PROCUT----FORDS #1
PELICAN----FORD CAN STICK IT

Same thing with any other piece of equipment....... Out of 10 plows I have one Blizzard from Jerre on the truck that I personally drive..... I could never imagine plowing with anything else...... But if I sent a driver out with it and it came back in pieces.....I would be crying JUNK......

[4evergreenlawns]

Ok, with all those problem listed I would have to say one of two things:

1) Your dealer did not put the plow togather correctly resulting in all this damage.

2) You plowed like a mad man thinking you were in a bulldozer not a plow truck and tore the heck out of a plow that is just about bullet proof.

It is most likely item 1, but if it is item 2, it is not the plow that is JUNK JUNK JUNK.

Last season my X driver pealed two in gound tank rings right out of the cement at two different sites. Over $13,000.00 in property damage and the PLOW was untouched. This being an 810 on a F-450 that runs loaded with salt scalling around 20,000LBS during a snow event. I know he was abusing my equipment and he was fired on the spot but the plow is still in service TODAY, plow all last season and nothing like what you are talking about.

The milk smells alittle sour, and I am not the one going to take a taste.
Just my opinoin.

Like Steve said lets see them pics.

[Pickering Snow]

I smell something fishy or below the belly button here has well .

I have a western that by sure wieght has more 7013 welding rods and wire from mig holding it together than the orginal metal. My guys do what i ask a fine line maybe between abuse and efficent, but one thing i can honeslty say is i havent layed a rod or a mig to a Blizzard yet , broken wing springs yep thats why theres two bent pins only once then Jerre put his nuts on the line. So honestly post those pics iam always looking at weakness just wondering were it is in the Blizzard other than it has a shear desire to return to the yard early because were done.

[Landgreen]

Sorry, I haven't been able to respond to the thread. We got hammered with snow and then I got the flu. Well still have it actually.

Anyway, It has been a week and the pins finally got to my dealer. They were supposed to be overnighted but Blizzard decided to send them on a pack mule instead. While waiting for the pins, the dealer got the wing back in the channel so I could get by with it as a 9ft plow. He claimed he had to disassemble the whole thing to get it to slide back in. I still don't quite understand what happened because I have never seen the inner workings. Well, the new pins are about 3/8 longer than the old ones. Blizzard was "confident" that this was the problem with my plow and that mine is not the only plow with this problem. Apparently there was some manufacturing mistake. Gotta love that. The new pins are in and the wings seem to function fine. Only took the dealer 5 minutes. Then we had an electrical problem. The monkey that installed my plow wired the controller into a 10 amp circuit on the trucks fuse panel. Took a while to sort out. Thought all was well until it quit working again today. The fuse came loose. Then I realized they still didn't have it in an ignition circuit which I simply fixed myself. The problem with my dealer is that they don't know a dam thing about 810's. I just learned today that they had to import an installer from their other dealership to install my plow. So now when I take it in, I have no faith that they can fix it properly because nobody is trained to work on them. FANTASTIC!

Tommorrow is the big day. Snow is coming. Should be a good test for those new pins.