need help with meyer angle

[gumbygold]

meyer e47 pump bought used. had problems at first because i didn't have a clue what i was doing. then drained and filled with new meyer fluid. angle then worked fine. before i toped off it didn't budge. angle that is, lift was fine. so now i go out to move the truck and angle doesn't work again. very confused. if i have someone else hold it left i can push really hard and it will move and the closer it is to full angle the more it wants to do it it self. then i try to go back the other way and it starts off tough and the more i push the other way the easier it angles. I've been told it could be low fluid a blockage a bad angle cylinder a bad valve a bad coil etc etc etc. I'm pretty sure i can rule out coil cuz i checked it for magnetism prior to this incident and because i could move it by hand and foot when someone fliped the switch left or right. I would think i could then rule out the valve because of this also. any help would be awsome. I'm especially dumbfounded because it was just working two days ago --- working great then this. :feedback

any advice will be most appreciated

[Robh]

I expect one or both of your couplers and failing. If they are hard to plug or unplug then it is prob bad....Rob

[BRL]

Even if they are easy to plug & unplug try another set, sometimes even new ones can fail :(

[rocknrollredneck]

I'd still want to check that valve out. (C valve, green wire)
take the coil loose, and if it has to be pried off the valve stem, it may be bad. :geekboy

[gumbygold]

dont know where to start. i don't have a whole lotta income right now. and no spare parts. should i just run to meyer dealer and pickup some new couplers. should i replace all four of them. are they expensive. how tight should they be screwed in. i know the coils are pretty $$$ is it pretty easy and safe to take the coil off to check the valve? how do i know what im looking for? wow i feel stupid now.

thanks for the advice

[rocknrollredneck]

aw, don't feel stupid. it would be stupid to not ask before stuff gets busted!
on the coil, take off the nut with a 7/16. the coil should slip right off. if not, the stem is swollen, and thus the valve is probably bad.
I would look at that first, because it doesn't cost a thing. be careful putting that nut back onto the coil, sometimes they break. just a light snug is all it needs.
I've been able to use "bad" valves in the past on my truck at home (E-47)
by holding the raise switch, then simultaneously hitting the switch to angle right...and then releasing the raise switch (while holding the angle)
and then it would work (couldn't tell you why it made a difference)

the last set of couplers I bought were $13 for one set (x2)
check to see that both ends are of the same type first.
some are a round ball type, and others have a flat face (in the center of the coupler)
I've seen mismatched sets that work sometimes, but then quit.
I hope this helps! :geekboy

[festerw]

If you can use a nut splitter on the nut on top of the valve, it sucks to have to buy a new valve because the stem snapped off.

[gumbygold]

ok remember how it wouldn't angle. today i go out to change the fluid and filters in the e47 and see if that fixes it but when i go to test it it all works great. I mean fabulous, so i go left right up down a couple times and all of a sudden it stops no left no right and for the first time it won't even go up. i can hear the motor going just fine but it sounds a little more high pitched like its not turning anything. i check everything while its going. I see a lot of hydraulic fluid around the coils and couplers but i think thats just from me spilling fluid when i toped it off. so anyway i don't know what I'm asking because i'm so frustrated i'm about to pay some meyer mechanic 61$per hour to diagnoss the problem. or buy a whole new pump from them for 800$. I dunno guys if any of these prob. seem like an easy fix lem me know. or if you know where to find used pumps for cheap

[gumbygold]

hey i posted earlier about my pump not angling but i figured i'd flush and drain a change couplers and check valves. but right before i did all that i checked the functions. up down left all worked fine for the first couple min. the it all stoped. i could hear the motor running but the plow wouldn't move. so i drain and flush with kerosine. then everything works fine for a couple min. then all goes to crap. now up wont even work only down works. and i never had that prob. so i go hit it with my wrench a bunch o times and swear a lot. note im doing this outside in 20 degree weather with strong wind. and just spilled kerosine all over my self. so i am pissed. any way hitting it with my wrench worked. but now every once and a while it craps out and nothing will go but the motor. dunno. so i bought a used e 47 on ebay for $350.00 and am waiting for it. I hope it works so i can use it while i rebuild my e47 as i think my pump is dead. my meyer dealer quoted me 800 + for a new e57 to replace it. if any of you have advice id appreciate it. let me know if i paid to much please. or le me know if i should stay away from e47s or meyer alike. thanx

[Plower737]

Just off the top of my head it sounds like poor connections for the motor not running all the time. Also check the selinoids for electricity when activated. Possible that a valve may be faulty too. Meyers aren't the best systems out there but if thats what you have then you have to use it. They are usually pretty reliable. Go those routes first and see what happens.

[rocknrollredneck]

I'd replace the C valve and do a complete and thorough flush on the whole thing.

[rocknrollredneck]

If it were me, I think I'd take it off of the truck, and get it indoors to work on it. Then take the valves out, remove all the filters and plugs and then flush it. replace any O-rings that look iffy, clean it all up and then put it back together. Then I'd run it on a bench before you get it back onto the truck.
don't give up on it yet....it's fixable.

[szorno]

Take your Ebay pump and install it. Take your old one, order and E-47 manual AND an E-57 conversion kit from your Meyer dealer. Tear that dog appart, and clean it up. Then pitch the old motor and pump mechanism. Replace with the E57. It is much more robust and dependable. Then you'll be set for a while. The E-57 is much faster and draws less current. We did it several years ago and haven't had a problem since. ;)

[wi-cj5]

Take your Ebay pump and install it. Take your old one, order and E-47 manual AND an E-57 conversion kit from your Meyer dealer. Tear that dog appart, and clean it up. Then pitch the old motor and pump mechanism. Replace with the E57. It is much more robust and dependable. Then you'll be set for a while. The E-57 is much faster and draws less current. We did it several years ago and haven't had a problem since. ;)

About how much is my wallet going to hurt after an E57 conversion kit??

[BRL]

gumbygold,
Please reply to threads you already start on a subject. It makes it easier for people to help. I merged your threads together.

[Chuck Smith]

....then everything works fine for a couple min. then all goes to crap. now up wont even work only down works. and i never had that prob. so i go hit it with my wrench a bunch o times and swear a lot. note im doing this outside in 20 degree weather with strong wind. and just spilled kerosine all over my self. so i am pissed. any way hitting it with my wrench worked. but now every once and a while it craps out and nothing will go but the motor......


Almost sounds like you have ice/water in the system. I would get the pump inside, and let it warm up, and then drain it. I would also remove the angle cyliners, and drain them (inside) into a big jar. Then you can see if you have water in the system.

You can drain it outside in 20° all you want, but you will never get all the water out.

~Chuck

[szorno]

to answer the $$ question, about $300 for the E57 conversion if I remember correctly.

[gumbygold]

Well it started snowing the other night. and ebay pump wasn't here so i attempt to fix mine. But it worked again. for two min. then angle stoped. so i go play in the parking lot next door. low and behold raming into a couple curbs makes angle work. while im not one to fix things by hitting them i can't complain. went and plowed my accounts for our first snow. works good. every once and a while angle sticks so i kick it with the lever stuck to angle. and it goes. so far so good for my first year. thanks everybody for your help!.

[BRL]

Well, we are telling you what it needs to be working correctly again. You will spend as much time hammering & cursing at it as you will moving snow (or more) if you don't do some of the basic maintenance items we have explained for you. Your choice.

You said you were going to do some of things we mentioned but stopped as it teased you by working again for a bit. This is because the oil needs to be changed & filter cleaned because as mentioned there may be water or dirt contaminating it. When the obstruction gets hammered enough to vibrate from where it is stuck in the pump or valves, the oil will flow again for a bit. It will flow until the next obstruction gets jammed into one of the precision machined holes in the block or valves. If the couplers are bad, the problems you describe will happen also. Continue pumping that contaminated oil through the system & we will soon be telling you about the expensive parts we next inform you need replacing ;) . BTW in your first post you mentioned the 60\hr mechanic fee, this would be money well spent & worth the effort in this case, and certainly better than having to get out & hammer the pump while it's snowing instead of moving the snow. Good luck.

[gumbygold]

yes i share your thoughts. I would rather it worked the way it was supposed to. however at that moment the hitting it was a last straw from waiting till meyer dealer opened to fix or buy new pump. so i was lucky. it got me through that snowfall. i did drain flush and change filters. as for checking valves and whatnot i'm going to wait till my used pump arrives. test it out. and if it works fine rebuild mine as in take it somewhere warm to work on it and thourougly clean everything. replacing what needs to be. That way i'll have a backup i can just throw on in a snowfall event.

[gumbygold]

ok pump not working again. i'm starting not to like this pump. I now have two e47 pumps. one installed and i not working. the other in pieces on my work bench. the one installed has had problems in the past with angle. today after i got done plowing i could barely get the blade to rise. so i figured it was low on fluid again. as i've had that problem a lot. well it was actually quite full. only took a little bit. made it home barely and now it wont raise or angle at all. i hear the motor going but it sound much different than normal opperation. it's much higher pitched. almost like it's moving faster or theirs no resistance. i'm hoping it just iced up. if i drain it and then flush with kerosine will the kero get rid of the ice. or would the only way to do it be to bring it inside and then drain it? I'm thinking of having them rebuilt but am not sure if it is necessary. any help would be awsome.