Blizzard Kick A Vee Plows Butt

[mac]

We had our first really snow fall today and yesterday.

We had the 810 blizzard and the 8.2” boss vee running side by side, and there is no question that the 810 blizzard is quicker then the vee plow. It seem the blizzard just rolls the snow better then the vee. Was very impressed with the plow, and would recommend it to anyone.

[Lawngodfather]

Similar to yours, Western 7½' pro plow wit wings(makes it 10') to my Blizzard 810, and it smokes it.

[Earthscapes]

I would hope a plow that expands to 10' would be quicker than plowing with a 8'2" plow. So I don't really see any comparison there.

[Snowboy]

The blizzard looks like a great plow a nieghbor has one and i have seen it on his truck but havent asked him how well it works.

To me and i might be wrong but it looks like the blizzard might be hard on the Transmision on the truck since it can take much more snow then a V or ordinary straight blade.

If you answear is well then dont ake on as much snow, well then whats the point of going with a fancy blade if you cant use it to its full capabilitys ?

My opnion...

[mikegamb]

i could care less what strain gets put on my trucks.if i go from plowing 20 hours to 15 because of a different type of snow plow than you know im getting atleast 3 of them lol.i look at it this way.no Ford,Dodge,Chevy Ect was designed just for plowing (well i know of one but forgot the name lol) trucks break ford has been known for there bad trans the past 5 or 6 years.i replaced alot on f350s and 450s,but i know the trucks won't last forever they will break and get retired.thats why cutting your plowing time down and making more $$$ will help you out when the time comes to buy a new rig.it all depends on how you plow.i know im hard on my trucks.i ram piles i plow open lots doing 20 30 mph.
like this past sunday the snow was heavy because of the rain that came in.i got stuck trying to windrow this whole lot from one end to the other.i got about half way before crazy mike got pissed and started ramming parts of the windrow that were to big because the only place for the snow to go was to my right.now i should of went in to different directions but that would of taken to long and time is money son.if my f150 and 250 could hold a 810 blizzard i would buy them in a heart beat.

[TLS]

Mike,

Guess your SHIFT key doesn't work?:confused:
:headwall
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:D

[mikegamb]

son i couldn't use shift or go back and edit things.every time i back spaced to change a word in the middle of a sentence the words in front of that word would get chopped off.sorry did the best i could.this happens once in a blue moon on this site along with others that are setup the same way.

[ratlover]

hit the insert button.

Took me for ever to figure that out and boy did it anoy me when I accidentaly turned it on in word:o

[gordyo]

Blizzard Kick A Vee Plows Butt

I think you are comparing two different kinds of snow removal tools here.

If I have to open up a drive with three feet of heavy wet snow in it, then I would want a v-plow. If I am in a parking lot moving snow from one area to another or can expand the plow and cover the most area at a time without damaging my truck, then I would want the Blizzard. I think it really boils down to what kind of tool you need to do the job at hand the most efficiently. Both have there place in the snow and ice removal industry.

Just my .02 cents

[TLS]

This is why I like the V plow. It can do both.

Sure it cant scoop 10', but I can scoop between a row of cars 8' apart! Cant do that with a Blizzard!

I can also scoop through bank drivethroughs.

And the V position is great for those deep drifts that straight plows get scared of.


Two different tools, while both are similar, they're still quite different.

I'd like one of each! Both with the same truck mounts. This way I could switch back and forth between both trucks.

[Bonzai]

Why would you try to plow 3 feet of snow in the first place. Plowing with the storm would be be alot easier. If there is that much snow on the ground before you plow I would not worry about plowing it because I would have been fired already.:canada

[micah79]

Snow can drift up to 3 feet very quickly. They are both different plows. The v does have its uses. It would be nice to plow through the storm if I had only one account, but I have a lot of accounts and I can't go to each one every half hour to see if a drift has blown up. imo

[Snowboy]

mikegamb


So get a better plwo drive the hell out of your truck replace the truck allot more and yet your still makeing good coin ?

I would say invest that money into something that can handle that abuse like a bobcat or loader and put your blizzard on that. I imagine the bobcat and loader can take more abuse then your truck.

I am looking to go that route when i start up if its worth it to get into the snow bussiness. I would still need a plow truck truck either a plow on my truck or have someone working for me with there plow and truck.

[mikegamb]

1/2 3/4 and 1 ton trucks used for commercial plowing don't last forever son.things break even if you baby the equipment.i think a bobcat with a blizzard is a waste since my commercial properties are spaced out quite a bit.i have lots from a few thousand feet up to 10 acres.trucks work faster for me.i never had any major problems with any of my trucks.just tires a few U joints plow springs and a few hydro lines.

in just the past two storms we had here i can buy 1 new truck if i wanted right now.i have very good coin to put down on a new rig if i wanted,but i don't see the need for one until the spring.

my town uses f250s and up to 450s to plow the roads.there all 8 years old and up and they beat the crap out of them,but the town has them runing more than the mack dumps and there still going strong.they have either a fisher or diamond plow on them and they work everyday.

the town hasn't replaced any since 96 and before that they didn't start buying new trucks until 92 93.all the trucks in the towns fleet before then was from 1983 and back to 1969.so they got 20 years out of 90% of there plow trucks and they still have 4 or 5 back from the late 70s that they use everyday.

so i think thats pretty dam good for some ford and chevy dumps and pickups don't you? they only have 12 macks and a ford L9000
making up the big stuff.the other 10 are pickups and 1 tons

[mac]

I agree with mikegamb most of the time trucks are the way to go. You just have to know there limits.

[gordyo]

Why would you try to plow 3 feet of snow in the first place.

micah79 basically answered this.

Drifting, Town trucks with wings pushing banks back and filling in the ends of the driveway. Someone who calls you at the end of the storm to plow them out.

The only thing I was trying to point out was that in my opinion they are two different pieces of equipment. I have a v-plow, it works great for what I need it for, I have a driveway that is dirt and goes up hill for about 150 feet with a circle at the top and is always icy cause the water runs off the hill continuously. The v-plow goes through it like butter, The straight plow on the other truck has a very hard time. However, I am seriously considering a Blizzard 8611 for the F-450 that I replace the 1993 F-350 with. This truck does parking lots and I think a Blizzard would be more efficient in that application than a v-plow. I hope I am making sense.

[Bonzai]

Gordyo
Yes it does make sense and I have used my MVP just for this in the past. But this was only in a worse case scenario, it did the job tho. Go with the Blizzard, you will love it as I do:canada

[Snowboy]

Mike.

I guess if you make that coin it makes since but 10 acres of open space and you use a truck. If you baby a truck yes it will break down but not as often if you run the $**** out of it.

If you don’t care for your equipment and you make money hand over fist yeah I am sure allot of the guys here would drive the hell out of there trucks.

A growing trend here for large shopping Ctr malls is Front end loaders either leased buy the snowplow co or it belongs to a sub. I see allot of guys use big farm tractors.

I am thinking in a dollar and cents way that if you would use a tractor or loader at some of your big sites you could get more plowing contracts and make even more dough and buy trucks a lot less often.. A 10' blizzard how much snow can you plow with that before you have to break the lot down into several different directions?
With the loader you can take on allot more snow and push it further as well as take off the box and use the bucket and you can then do removal of snow from the site or push the snow back further. Since you have a 1 ton pick up or larger you can put the bobcat on the trailer and bring it to the big and or medium site’s. Since you have so much cash go buy a float truck you could bring the loader over to the site’s that require one.

I have never done plowing with a loader but here that’s how most guys do the big lots with loaders and tractors and pickups setting up for the loaders and tractors.

In Toronto here the only use for pick up trucks for the city is to plow sidewalks the rest of the trucks are probably 10ton or more salters. I assume your town is small so that’s why they use pick ups.
:canada

[mikegamb]

son like i said i have 4 plowing trucks and two subs with 1/2 trucks and never had any major break downs.my 5 and 10 acre lots i use 7 1/2 ft to 9 ft blades on 1/2 3/4 and 1 ton trucks and we plow them out in record time.with two trucks on the 5 acre lot it takes 45 minutes to go from one end to the other.the 10 acre takes close to an hour and 1/2 sometimes alittle longer.there are no cars or anything to drive around in these lots its just straight plowing.


now yeah a loader is a nice idea.after the storm i trailer around my bobcat to stack piles better and clean off walkways. there are laws in CT that you can not haul heavy equipment or wide load equipment during a snow or rain storm.so how would i get a big tractor or front loader from my lot in branford to my lot out in new haven (2 towns over???)

i think you don't understand my reason for doing things.

well like you said yourself your not a full time plower so you have alot of learning to do i feel.

the equipment my family started off with when they started this biz 12 years ago i still have and use every storm.

[90plow]

To me and i might be wrong but it looks like the blizzard might be hard on the Transmision on the truck since it can take much more snow then a V or ordinary straight blade.
I have to agree with Snowboy on that one. If your pushing 10 feet of snow with a truck you don't think its going to wear it out a little more than normal? I don't know maybe I'm not seeing the whole picture but the blizzard only really looks good for parking lots. I had an 8 foot fisher on my truck last year and even in 8'6" mode the Blizzard would have been too big, I know some people have huge driveways and what not but thats alot of blade out there. The blizzard and V's turn me off with all the moving parts. I mean the more parts moving the more that break the more hydro lines the more to freeze break or come off. If you have big lots why not get a bigger truck wiht a plow if you can't move the equipment like a kodiak or topkick size with a 10 foot straight blade would certainly push alot more snow across your lot than any pickup with a blizzard just due to the size of the truck behind the plow. Like snowboy said how much can you push before you have to break up the lot, I know that a bigger truck would push a lot more than a pickup.
JMO
Eric

[BWinkel]

I plow mostly driveways and a few private roads, 1/4 - 1/2 mile each. In the past I plowed with an 8' Fisher straight blade. This year we added a truck with an 8'6" Fisher V. I must say the V works so much better on the roads especially on the first pass. I can see where the 810 would shine on a large lot, but for opening up roads I'll stick with the V.

[Snowboy]

Mike

Easy like i said if you got 2 big lots but kinda crummy that they are far away, you could have farmers as subs thats what the guy i work for is doing this year. He has plenty of trucks but said hes useing farmers with there tractors for all his big lots. Farmers can use cash in the winter. The tractors are usualy kept on site so you dont have to drive town to town with them.

How long of a drive anyhow ? I see your restricted to driveing a loader on the street in snow which is kinda dumb but smart as well.. My opnion.

I never said your wrong or your going about it the wrong way or that i know all there is to plowing.

Plowing 10 acres with 4 trucks is good yeah but i was thinking why would i do that when i can do it with 1 loader/tractor or bobcat and have my trucks else where doing smaller stuff. I think i would make more money that way, less maintenace or forget the loader and use a Topkick or Ford or whatever brand ok Mid size commercial truck with a big blade on it like the blizzard. The truck can be driven site to site and you can salt with it as well.

Bonus i think..

No claim to fame here man just an opnion..

[Snowboy]

Originally posted by BWinkel
I must say the V works so much better on the roads especially on the first pass.

I hear some guys say they dont clear nice they leave a trail in the centre cuz of the V. Do you see that on yours ? :canada

[captdevo]

i just picked up 3 banks, my Boss 7'6" V fits perfect.....9 drive thrus!!

[Lawngodfather]

Snowboy, once you get out and actually plow, you will of enter a whole nother world.

A loader will plow 1 (one) (uno) place, then you have to "load" it up and dangerouslly haul it to another site.

Windrowing snow is the most effciant way to move snow.

This is where the Blizzard rules, the leading edge can be angled in to let less spill off the front of the plow.

Now with the loaders that use pushers, once they have hit the capacity of the pusher, all the snow then rolls off the front of the pusher and you have to go back and clean up.

Well, I just leave it to this right now. I don't want to get to indepth about it yet.

[mikegamb]

LGF

thank you,this kid thinks theres a farm every 2 miles around here.

son commercial lots are #1 98% of mine have to be cleared and salt/sanded by 7 30 AM having a tractor at all 19 of my lots is never going to happen.thats a big waste of money when i have trucks and a bobcat that work just fine.i wanna see you plow 5 acres of parking lot in 45 minutes then you can do your BLAH BLAH BLAH about getting farmers to sub your parking lots to.i only have one lot that i can leave my bobcat in because its a safe area and the company allows me to leave it there.now i have 3 to 5 lots all in one area and 10 or 12 res in the same area.i cover 7 towns in about 23 hours using what i got.

your not going to get 50 parking lots in the same town.maybe if you have been in the bizz for 30 plus years.

plus my customers like seeing normal size equipment and like seeing my trucks with my name on them.not giant farm tractors in there lots.

now all my trucks are setup with either salt/sand or just salt systems.yup even my 1/2 ton trucks have sanders on them.sure there not V boxes but they do the job just fine

[Snowboy]

LG

Yep i hear you.. Like i said i aint no pro.

Forget my idea of hauling it around on a float..

How about a loader with a blizzard plow (8611) or a plow that the equipment provider has for it ? 12' plow like gordyo has as his Avatar.

You can push alot with that cant you ?

I have seen how much they spill and yeah you have to go back for that. I think its faster then a truck.

I cant see why my Boss would buy a loader and a box if it wasnt fater then doing it with the trucks.

[JohnnyU]

I cant see why my Boss would buy a loader and a box if it wasnt fater then doing it with the trucks.

Perhaps your boss doesn't know all that he tells you he does.

Loaders are good for stacking snow in large patking lots, where maximum parking area is needed. Trucks with blades, preferable 9 or 10' will work best in clearing a lot. They are not as bulky as a loader, and still can push quite a bit of snow. If need be, they push to a loader, who piles it out of the way. I'm with the Mikes on this one: Trucks are more efficient 98% of the time.

[Snowboy]

Who care's if you have a tractor doing the lot. Put your name on the tractor with magnetic signs if your worried they wont see your name.

You must have a Farm every 2 miles if your town uses Pick up trucks to plow the roads.

Didnt say use a loader or tractor at all sites.

Dude i dont live in the sticks. I live in the City lots of buildings to go around.

SnowBowtie

It's a large court house and has a few train stations where we use the loaders and tractors.

[mikegamb]

i think i speak for 98% of people on this site.

#1 start your own snow removal bizz.

#2 get 3 + plus rigs

#3 spend 100,000 on a loader

#4 then you can mouth off all you want with your method of the only way to plow


you will learn that most places don't want some big azz front loaders with 20 ft snow pushers going around there 70 million dollar building and going near there 300,000 cars.

oh yeah DUDE i live in east haven which is a large town.the city of new haven is 2 miles down the road from me.the city and my town use pickups and 1 ton trucks along with big fords and mack dumps and NO FARMERS

[Snowboy]

#1 Didnt say i was an expert.

#2 Didnt say it was the only way to do it.

# 3 Wouldnt buy a loader i would rent or lease and if did, it wouldnt be new.

Mearly an opnion which im entitled to just like you.

[mikegamb]

any farmers out there??? ill pay you 10 cents an hour to drive across 7 towns and plow all my commercial lots.


:headwall :headwall :headwall :headwall :headwall :headwall :argue :argue :argue

[Snowboy]

I see you still didnt get what i said.. Didnt say drive it across town.. :argue

[Snowboy]

Why do you do 7 towns anyways ? Not enough work in your own town ? How do you plow for 23hrs ? 24 hrs in a day 1 hour to sleep eh. I get you now, sleep 16 hrs the nite befor so you can be out for 23 hrs when it snows..
Sorry Mike i am :notworthy i will bow down in honour of you. :rolleyes:

[The Boss]

Opinions vary.

[mac]

Oh Look
There goes the point!

[90plow]

Point of this thread is getting weaker :rolleyes: Lets get back to the topic and stop the petty arguing.
Eric

[4evergreenlawns]

:p :p :p :p :p

I can hardly stop laughin long enough to type. Did I some how get kicked back to ******** with all the one truck subs, beer money plowers, and the my dad plows a lot sometimes? WOW farm tractors at the Home Depot lot that is impressive....:rolleyes:

Good POINT 90PLOW. Stop :argue get back on topic.

[mikegamb]

sorry guys but this kid knows nothing about plowing.i tried to be nice and tell him why farmers and tractors would not work out in my area.how trucks with straight or V or a blizzard plow will work better.

sometimes i go out longer than a whole day kid.like the storm we had a week ago it lasted 3 days.the blizzard we had this year with 26 inches of snow.it took 5 days to cleanup working 16 hours a day not counting the day of the storm.that day i got 4 hours sleep.

but hey ive been doing this on my own the past 3 years.i guess i know nothing since i have over 60 customers and your just a sub for some guy that hires farmers to plow his lots right??

this is the same kind of crap i wanted to get away from at PS (kids with snow blowers that think they know everything about contracted snow removal)

:notworthy let me get down on my knees for you son :rolleyes:

[TLS]

mikegamb,

Just how many "sons" do you have? :confused:

I guess you call everybody "son" in real life, and it carries over to your fingers when you type.

Just wondering, cause my Dad calls me Son, and he's someone who has every rite to.


Now, getting back off topic..... :rolleyes:

[Pelican]

Geez, step out for a few minutes to make a living, look what happens!

Looks like this has been played out, time for a cooling off period.

Bye for now.